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slevesque
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Message 114 of 160 (517478)
08-01-2009 5:18 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Dr Adequate
08-01-2009 3:44 AM


Re: Analogy fails
You gotta love Dr.Adequate's arrogance and how he never was told even once (since I'm here) to be more respectful by the admins ...
I know this is some sort of highway of dicussion where some people don't put their flasher, but come on you won't have more incendiary comments than some of the ones Dr.Adequate is saying sometimes ...

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slevesque
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Message 115 of 160 (517479)
08-01-2009 5:22 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Dr Adequate
08-01-2009 4:45 AM


Re: Gish Gallop
I would like for you to tell me what defines a scientist please ... (and no: a scientist is someone who does science plz)

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slevesque
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Message 117 of 160 (517482)
08-01-2009 5:47 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Dr Adequate
08-01-2009 5:39 AM


Re: Gish Gallop
Ok, just wanted to be sure before I started naming scientists who accepts the idea of special creation ...
Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr James Allan, Geneticist
Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
Dr Donald Baumann, Solid State Physics, Professor of Biology and Chemistry, Cedarville University
Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr David Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Stuart Burgess, Engineering and Biomimetics, Professor of Design & Nature, Head of Department, Mechanical Engineering, University of Bristol (UK)
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr Robert W. Carter, PhD Marine Biology
Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr Xidong Chen, Solid State Physics, Assistant Professor of Physics, Cedarville University
Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Dr Bob Compton, DVM
Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research
Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
Dr Andr Eggen, Geneticist
Dr Leroy Eimers, Atmospheric Science, Professor of Physics and Mathematics, Cedarville University
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Dr Dennis Flentge, Physical Chemistry, Professor of Chemistry and Chair of the Department of Science and Mathematics, Cedarville University
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr Steven Gollmer, Atmospheric Science, Professor of Physics, Cedarville University
Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
Dr Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications
Dr Joe Havel, Botanist, Silviculturist, Ecophysiologist
Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr Steven Hayes, Nuclear Scientist
Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr Larry Helmick, Organic Chemistry, Professor of Chemistry, Cedarville University
Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr George F. Howe, Botany
Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr Pierre Jerlstrm, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu, Physician, leading expert on sickle-cell anemia
Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Dr Johan Kruger, Zoology
Dr Wolfgang Kuhn, biologist and lecturer
Dr Heather Kuruvilla, Plant Physiology, Senior Professor of Biology, Cedarville University
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Dr John Leslie, Biochemist
Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
Dr Jean Lightner, Agriculture, Veterinary science
Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Ral E Lpez, meteorologist
Dr Alan Love, Chemist
Dr Ian Macreadie, Molecular Biologist and Microbiologist
Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemistry
Dr Mark McClain, Inorganic Chemistry, Associate Professor of Chemistry, Cedarville University
Dr John McEwan, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr David Menton, Anatomist
Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr John Meyer, Physiologist
Dr Douglas Miller, Professor of Chemistry, Cedarville University
Dr Albert Mills, Reproductive Physiologist, Embryologist
Robert T. Mitchell, specialist in Internal Medicine and active speaker on creation
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical Engineer and Dentist
Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
Dr John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Dr Mathew Piercy, anaesthetist
Dr Terry Phipps, Professor of Biology, Cedarville University
Dr Jules H. Poirier, Aeronautics, Electronics
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr Ron Samec, Astronomy
Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
Dr Alicia (Lisa) Schaffner, Associate Professor of Biology, Cedarville University
Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist
Dr Ian Scott, Educator
Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic Physicist
Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
Dr Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr Dennis Sullivan, Biology, surgery, chemistry, Professor of Biology, Cedarville University
Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist
Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient History (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and Archaeologist
Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr Henry Zuill, Biology
Those are only the ones who are alive today. Meaning they have access to all the present-day advancements in Evolution.
This is in response to your allegation that scientists reject creation. This list also does not count the scientists who do not believe in Neo-Darwinist evolution, such as Dr. Lee Spetner for example. It also does not include scientists who do not have a doctorate (which would surely triple that list)
Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.
Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

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slevesque
Member (Idle past 4661 days)
Posts: 1456
Joined: 05-14-2009


Message 119 of 160 (517485)
08-01-2009 5:56 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Dr Adequate
08-01-2009 5:50 AM


Re: Arrogance
I would think that his little 'math error' wasn't because he was 'mathematically illeterate' as you called him, but rather a simple mental calculation error in my opinion.
Even if it was not, I would suggest that the dictionnary definition of arrogance would apply to your comment:
What you have written is indeed ridiculous. I'm going to guess either that you're mathematically illiterate or that you don't know the difference between the word "similarity" and the word "difference".
Biologists, who suffer from neither of these deficiencies, have done the actual math. It's not difficult.
I mean, come on, how low-ball of a comment was that, seriously ?
Oh yeah, and before I forget it, Biologists haven't done the math, population geneticists have ... (Unless of course, you don't know the difference between biology and genetics, in which case I will forgive your ignorance)
See how easy it is to be arrogant ?

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slevesque
Member (Idle past 4661 days)
Posts: 1456
Joined: 05-14-2009


Message 121 of 160 (517487)
08-01-2009 6:11 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Dr Adequate
08-01-2009 6:02 AM


Re: Gish Gallop
Ok, but then let me know when Neo-Darwinian evolution is proven beyond reasonable doubt
Oh and by the way, You have any statistical study on that last claim ? Because personnally, it would surprise me a whole lot that the proportion of PhD scientists who hear voices in their head be higher then the proportion of those who believe in special creation ...

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slevesque
Member (Idle past 4661 days)
Posts: 1456
Joined: 05-14-2009


Message 124 of 160 (517490)
08-01-2009 6:26 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Dr Adequate
08-01-2009 6:14 AM


Re: Arrogance
I didn't. I wrote "mathematically illiterate". Spelling is only one of the many things that I can do.
Come and argue in french without doing a spelling mistake, then we'll talk ... (How many times do I have to say I speak french on this forum, I said it like 10 times already lol)
Are you really claiming that genetics isn't a branch of biology?
I evidently find ignorance harder to forgive that you do. Also, I can recognize it.
Of course, I was saying there is a difference between genetics and biology, not that the two are unrelated.
Furthermore, I would also suggest that to do the type of maths calculations you were saying had been done by biologists, you would need not a PhD in Biology, but in genetics (and be specialized in population genetics). Hence my statement was correct.
If you still think that your statement was accurate (''Biologists, who suffer from neither of these deficiencies, have done the actual math. It's not difficult''), I highly doubt anyone on this board will agree with you, even the proponents of Neo-Darwinism on this forum ...
You will find, however, that being arrogant and right requires a little more study.
Being able to say 'I made a mistake' does not require study, but is an essential quality to be a goood scientists. Wouldn't you agree ?

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slevesque
Member (Idle past 4661 days)
Posts: 1456
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Message 127 of 160 (517497)
08-01-2009 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Dr Adequate
08-01-2009 6:41 AM


Re: Arrogance
So ... if I have a PhD in Biology (hence being a Biologist) I should be able to do those specific population genetics calculations ?
Anyways, I would probably bet that those who did those calculations (initially) were not Biologists as you said, but population geneticists.
I intend Biologist as someone who is referred by the scientific community as a Biologist, usually with a PhD in Biology. A Geneticist will never be referred to as a Biologist ...
Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

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slevesque
Member (Idle past 4661 days)
Posts: 1456
Joined: 05-14-2009


Message 129 of 160 (517499)
08-01-2009 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Dr Adequate
08-01-2009 7:03 AM


Re: Arrogance
I think we will stop this since its going a bit nowhere ... I mean, by your understanding of it, you could have said a plant physiologist did the math and it would have been accurate. (this was intended before your edit, with the 'some biologist are probably capable of doing the maths')
My point was that your statement was unecessary arrogance, and it was not the first I saw you say something like thta. Heck, I had found the first post you made on my very first thread very arrogant ...
Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

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