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slevesque Member (Idle past 4661 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
You gotta love Dr.Adequate's arrogance and how he never was told even once (since I'm here) to be more respectful by the admins ...
I know this is some sort of highway of dicussion where some people don't put their flasher, but come on you won't have more incendiary comments than some of the ones Dr.Adequate is saying sometimes ...
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4661 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
I would like for you to tell me what defines a scientist please ... (and no: a scientist is someone who does science plz)
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4661 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
Ok, just wanted to be sure before I started naming scientists who accepts the idea of special creation ...
Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics Dr James Allan, Geneticist Dr Steve Austin, Geologist Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert Dr Donald Baumann, Solid State Physics, Professor of Biology and Chemistry, Cedarville University Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry Dr David Boylan, Chemical Engineer Prof. Stuart Burgess, Engineering and Biomimetics, Professor of Design & Nature, Head of Department, Mechanical Engineering, University of Bristol (UK) Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics Dr Robert W. Carter, PhD Marine Biology Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony) Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering Dr Xidong Chen, Solid State Physics, Assistant Professor of Physics, Cedarville University Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist Dr Bob Compton, DVM Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research Dr Andr Eggen, Geneticist Dr Leroy Eimers, Atmospheric Science, Professor of Physics and Mathematics, Cedarville University Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy Dr Dennis Flentge, Physical Chemistry, Professor of Chemistry and Chair of the Department of Science and Mathematics, Cedarville University Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist Dr Steven Gollmer, Atmospheric Science, Professor of Physics, Cedarville University Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist Dr Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications Dr Joe Havel, Botanist, Silviculturist, Ecophysiologist Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist Dr Steven Hayes, Nuclear Scientist Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist Dr Larry Helmick, Organic Chemistry, Professor of Chemistry, Cedarville University Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry Dr George F. Howe, Botany Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy George T. Javor, Biochemistry Dr Pierre Jerlstrm, Creationist Molecular Biologist Dr Arthur Jones, Biology Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu, Physician, leading expert on sickle-cell anemia Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry Dr Johan Kruger, Zoology Dr Wolfgang Kuhn, biologist and lecturer Dr Heather Kuruvilla, Plant Physiology, Senior Professor of Biology, Cedarville University Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology Dr John Leslie, Biochemist Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics Dr Jean Lightner, Agriculture, Veterinary science Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist Ral E Lpez, meteorologist Dr Alan Love, Chemist Dr Ian Macreadie, Molecular Biologist and Microbiologist Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemistry Dr Mark McClain, Inorganic Chemistry, Associate Professor of Chemistry, Cedarville University Dr John McEwan, Organic Chemistry Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics Dr David Menton, Anatomist Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist Dr John Meyer, Physiologist Dr Douglas Miller, Professor of Chemistry, Cedarville University Dr Albert Mills, Reproductive Physiologist, Embryologist Robert T. Mitchell, specialist in Internal Medicine and active speaker on creation Colin W. Mitchell, Geography Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical Engineer and Dentist Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist Dr John D. Morris, Geologist Dr Len Morris, Physiologist Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher Prof. John Oller, Linguistics Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology) Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon Dr Mathew Piercy, anaesthetist Dr Terry Phipps, Professor of Biology, Cedarville University Dr Jules H. Poirier, Aeronautics, Electronics Prof. Richard Porter Dr Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist Dr A.S. Reece, M.D. Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology Dr David Rosevear, Chemist Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology Dr Ron Samec, Astronomy Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist Dr Alicia (Lisa) Schaffner, Associate Professor of Biology, Cedarville University Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist Dr Ian Scott, Educator Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic Physicist Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist Dr Andrew Snelling, Geologist Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry Dr Dennis Sullivan, Biology, surgery, chemistry, Professor of Biology, Cedarville University Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics Dr Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient History (also has B.Sc. in Zoology) Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and Archaeologist Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography Dr Henry Zuill, Biology Those are only the ones who are alive today. Meaning they have access to all the present-day advancements in Evolution. This is in response to your allegation that scientists reject creation. This list also does not count the scientists who do not believe in Neo-Darwinist evolution, such as Dr. Lee Spetner for example. It also does not include scientists who do not have a doctorate (which would surely triple that list) Edited by slevesque, : No reason given. Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4661 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
I would think that his little 'math error' wasn't because he was 'mathematically illeterate' as you called him, but rather a simple mental calculation error in my opinion.
Even if it was not, I would suggest that the dictionnary definition of arrogance would apply to your comment:
What you have written is indeed ridiculous. I'm going to guess either that you're mathematically illiterate or that you don't know the difference between the word "similarity" and the word "difference". Biologists, who suffer from neither of these deficiencies, have done the actual math. It's not difficult. I mean, come on, how low-ball of a comment was that, seriously ? Oh yeah, and before I forget it, Biologists haven't done the math, population geneticists have ... (Unless of course, you don't know the difference between biology and genetics, in which case I will forgive your ignorance) See how easy it is to be arrogant ?
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4661 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
Ok, but then let me know when Neo-Darwinian evolution is proven beyond reasonable doubt
Oh and by the way, You have any statistical study on that last claim ? Because personnally, it would surprise me a whole lot that the proportion of PhD scientists who hear voices in their head be higher then the proportion of those who believe in special creation ...
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4661 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
I didn't. I wrote "mathematically illiterate". Spelling is only one of the many things that I can do. Come and argue in french without doing a spelling mistake, then we'll talk ... (How many times do I have to say I speak french on this forum, I said it like 10 times already lol)
Are you really claiming that genetics isn't a branch of biology? I evidently find ignorance harder to forgive that you do. Also, I can recognize it. Of course, I was saying there is a difference between genetics and biology, not that the two are unrelated. Furthermore, I would also suggest that to do the type of maths calculations you were saying had been done by biologists, you would need not a PhD in Biology, but in genetics (and be specialized in population genetics). Hence my statement was correct. If you still think that your statement was accurate (''Biologists, who suffer from neither of these deficiencies, have done the actual math. It's not difficult''), I highly doubt anyone on this board will agree with you, even the proponents of Neo-Darwinism on this forum ...
You will find, however, that being arrogant and right requires a little more study. Being able to say 'I made a mistake' does not require study, but is an essential quality to be a goood scientists. Wouldn't you agree ?
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4661 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
So ... if I have a PhD in Biology (hence being a Biologist) I should be able to do those specific population genetics calculations ?
Anyways, I would probably bet that those who did those calculations (initially) were not Biologists as you said, but population geneticists. I intend Biologist as someone who is referred by the scientific community as a Biologist, usually with a PhD in Biology. A Geneticist will never be referred to as a Biologist ... Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4661 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
I think we will stop this since its going a bit nowhere ... I mean, by your understanding of it, you could have said a plant physiologist did the math and it would have been accurate. (this was intended before your edit, with the 'some biologist are probably capable of doing the maths')
My point was that your statement was unecessary arrogance, and it was not the first I saw you say something like thta. Heck, I had found the first post you made on my very first thread very arrogant ... Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.
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