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Author Topic:   Methodological Naturalism is fallacious
Straggler
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Message 14 of 50 (517794)
08-02-2009 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by mike the wiz
08-02-2009 4:36 PM


Design - A Sliding Scale
Is everything in nature designed?

Can you cite examples of:

1) That which is definitely designed.
2) That which is definitely not designed.
3) That which is probably designed.
4) That which is probably not designed.
5) That which may or may not be designed but which we just cannot tell.

Unless we can recognise design somehow I fail to see how your argument can hold any water at all. So let's see if we can define a means by which we can recognise design as compared to lack of design in nature.

Yes?


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Message 20 of 50 (517800)
08-02-2009 5:01 PM
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08-02-2009 4:53 PM


Re: Design - A Sliding Scale
So you cannot objectively differentiate between that which is designed and that which is not then?
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Message 29 of 50 (517812)
08-02-2009 5:24 PM
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08-02-2009 5:19 PM


NOT Designed
If you cannot even differentiate between that which is designed in nature and that which is not then I fail to see how any claim of a designer has any validity at all?

Can you give me an example of something in nature that is definitely NOT designed?


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Straggler
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Message 33 of 50 (517816)
08-02-2009 5:29 PM
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08-02-2009 5:27 PM


Re: NOT Designed
It seems my questions cannot be answered even though I am but one man.

So everything in nature is an example of design then?

Well little wonder you conclude a designer is necessary if that is your starting assumption....


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