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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Taz writes: Several people asked you this already but you've decided to LIE your way out by dodging and ignoring us. So, let me ask you again and don't LIE this time. If a group of people come to your country, you know, the land where your forefathers established their civilization and passed it down through the generations to you, and told you to get up and leave because their god had given this land to them, would you get up and leave? if I was a cannanite and I knew of the isrealites and their God, I would definitely ask to join them rather then war with them. If an opposing army invaded my country today, I would stay out of their way. If my country chose to fight them, i think I would flee to neutral territory.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Peg writes:
Muhahahahahahaha. If an opposing army invaded my country today, I would stay out of their way. If my country chose to fight them, i think I would flee to neutral territory.
And ladies and gentlemen of the internet, I rest my case.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Peg writes: Peg writes: If an opposing army invaded my country today, I would stay out of their way. If my country chose to fight them, i think I would flee to neutral territory. Taz writes: Muhahahahahahaha. And ladies and gentlemen of the internet, I rest my case. Some things are not worth fighting for because they are inherently wrong. Evidently Peg's ideals, which include a corruption of Christianity through pick and choose fundamentalism, a desperate hatred of all knowledge, especially science, and a contempt for the enlightenment and it's subsequent products, democracy and reason, are considered unworthy of personal sacrifice. If one does not have the guts to fight for and even die for their beliefs, then one has no real soul. Instead they are just a shill for some guru. I think it is important to point out that there are several active duty posters, as well as veterans. All put their life on the line either now or at some time in the past to support the ideals of democracy and rationality as opposed to militant and murderous nationalism (see WW2), bullshit communism that was actually feudalism, and psycho child murderers, known as suicide bombers of another example of perverting a religion. I hope that Peg can place her ego in perspective, be it her religion or just admitting to being a fallible human in general. So far she can't ever admit any error even when it is blatantly obvious, such as in the huge amount of energy falsehood it takes to turn hydrogen and oxygen to water. So much for being a witness or evangelizing, the self-proclaimed infallible ego is above the made up and lied about, made by false pride, false Christian god of the self-ignorant followers of Nietzsche instead of the humility induced by Bonhoeffer or Spinoza, or even the most importantly, kick ass NT Jesus. Some people just can't handle the truth for selfish reasons, or even understand the concept of a metaphor. Indeed, I rest my case as well. The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
anglagard writes: If one does not have the guts to fight for and even die for their beliefs, then one has no real soul. Instead they are just a shill for some guru. to the contrary, the bible tells us NOT to fight our enemies. if we really trust in God, then we will not get involved in the wars of our countries and patiently wait for him to correct all matters. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4217 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
to the contrary, the bible tells us NOT to fight our enemies. Your God speaks with forked tongue. If the above quote is correct then explain why he ordered the Israelites to destroy the Canaanites. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
bluescat48 writes: Your God speaks with forked tongue. If the above quote is correct then explain why he ordered the Israelites to destroy the Canaanites. he has the ultimate authority and life is a gift, its not a right. The cannanites who chose to war with Isreal showed a complete lack of respect for Gods ownership of the land they inhabited. They knew the land was an inheritance for the Isrealites, they refused to hand it over therefore they had taken something that did not belong to them. God corrected matters. He is the ultimate authority and the one who has the final say.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4217 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
They knew the land was an inheritance for the Isrealites, they refused to hand it over therefore they had taken something that did not belong to them. How did they know this when "God" only revealed himself to Israel? There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
And the aboriginal people of Australia and of the US knew full well that those English-speaking immagrants had that same God's permission to slaughter them like rats in a granery.
That's digusting, Peg. For your sake, I hope the New Zealanders don't come up with a piece of paper that says God told them Oz belongs to Kiwis. Only your young daughters might survive that holocaust. "The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3128 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Peg writes: If an opposing army invaded my country today, I would stay out of their way. If my country chose to fight them, i think I would flee to neutral territory.
It is people like you who would allow, condone and advocate the attrocities and genocide such as the Hitler's Holocaust, the Khmer Rouge, Darfur, Rwanda, Japanes concentration camps and death marches during WWII, Mao's and Stalin's ethnicidal rampages and other attrocities to occur unchecked. So if you were in Europe you would do nothing to try to put up a resistance against Hitler and his goon squad? You would probably corroborate with him and bend over as Vichy France did, right? While tens of millions of men, women and children were needlessly TORTURED AND MURDERED!! You are a morally bankrupt and dispicable person. I pity you and your family. I really feel sorry for your children. It is sad they will grow up knowing there parents are such cowards that they would choose to run and hide while the rest of there countryman would die to protect there freedoms that they indulge in. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. "In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people mad and been widely regarded as a bad idea." Douglas Adams
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3128 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Peg writes: to the contrary, the bible tells us NOT to fight our enemies. What!?! You have been arguing with me for the last 10 pages about the justification the Israelites had for battling their 'enemies', the Canaanites in the Bible. Now you are telling me that the Bible says they should not have fought them? This is beyond cognitive dissonance. You are bat-shit, crazy!!! Also how does the following verses fit into your Biblical philosophy:
Luke 22:36-38 writes: Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. What were they going to use there swords for? Catching fish?
Matthew 10:34-35 writes: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Should I mention all the violence commanded by God in the OT? Or have we gone over that enough. The Bible is anything but a book advocating peace. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3265 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
Had he allowed them to eat from it, they could have lived indefinitely. Ok, so they weren't created to live forever, God just placed the possibility somewhere in the Garden, but didn't tell them about it until they disobeyed, and he only told them about it to illustrate the fact that they were now cut off from it. So, in otherwords, Adam and Eve would have died anyway had they not stumbled upon the Tree of Life and decided to eat of it. So, again, how exactly did God kill Adam for eating of the Tree of Knowledge if Adam was going to die anyway, barring his eating from a particular tree. The best you could say is that God removed the merest possibility of living forever, but definitely did not kill Adam or Eve.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
DevilsAdvocate writes: So if you were in Europe you would do nothing to try to put up a resistance against Hitler and his goon squad? perhaps you need to learn a little about the purple triangles...you'll see that resistance does not always equate to taking up arms. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
DevilsAdvocate writes: You have been arguing with me for the last 10 pages about the justification the Israelites had for battling their 'enemies', the Canaanites in the Bible. Now you are telling me that the Bible says they should not have fought them? christianity and judaism are completely different things, obviously.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Perdition writes: So, in otherwords, Adam and Eve would have died anyway had they not stumbled upon the Tree of Life and decided to eat of it. So, again, how exactly did God kill Adam for eating of the Tree of Knowledge if Adam was going to die anyway, barring his eating from a particular tree. The best you could say is that God removed the merest possibility of living forever, but definitely did not kill Adam or Eve. the tree of life was a representation of everlasting life, not a literal life giving tree. Everlasting life could be obtained as long as they remained in the Garden as subjects of God. But when they were removed from the garden, they no longer had everlasting life as a prospect. Just as the tree of knowledge was a representation of Gods rultership...as long as they obeyed the command to stay away from that tree, they remained subject to Gods rule. When they disobeyed, they no longer were subject to Gods rule, they were independent. So he did kill them in that he allowed them to die.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Peg writes: christianity and judaism are completely different things, obviously. It does not appear so obvious if some forms of Christianity emphasize the OT over the NT, such as when those forms deny all science, democracy, and any questioning of 'authority' in general. It is unfortunate that so many so called "Christians" who have totally misinterpreted the OT still refuse to ask a Jew what the actual meaning of the text may be. However it is not surprising given that the self-proclaimed 'saved' believe the primary purpose of life is to be smug, condescending, or at worst 'beyond good and evil' as such that any immoral behavior is allowed due to viewing all others as less than human. Not that you would be guilty of any of these infractions, of course. The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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