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Topic: Pick and Choose Fundamentalism
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Peg
Member (Idle past 4948 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: 11-22-2008
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Re: Less logical than I thought
DevilsAdvocate writes: So if you were in Europe you would do nothing to try to put up a resistance against Hitler and his goon squad? perhaps you need to learn a little about the purple triangles...you'll see that resistance does not always equate to taking up arms. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.
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Peg
Member (Idle past 4948 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: 11-22-2008
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Re: Cowardice by any Name
DevilsAdvocate writes: You have been arguing with me for the last 10 pages about the justification the Israelites had for battling their 'enemies', the Canaanites in the Bible. Now you are telling me that the Bible says they should not have fought them? christianity and judaism are completely different things, obviously.
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Peg
Member (Idle past 4948 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: 11-22-2008
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Re: Less logical than I thought
Perdition writes: So, in otherwords, Adam and Eve would have died anyway had they not stumbled upon the Tree of Life and decided to eat of it. So, again, how exactly did God kill Adam for eating of the Tree of Knowledge if Adam was going to die anyway, barring his eating from a particular tree. The best you could say is that God removed the merest possibility of living forever, but definitely did not kill Adam or Eve. the tree of life was a representation of everlasting life, not a literal life giving tree. Everlasting life could be obtained as long as they remained in the Garden as subjects of God. But when they were removed from the garden, they no longer had everlasting life as a prospect. Just as the tree of knowledge was a representation of Gods rultership...as long as they obeyed the command to stay away from that tree, they remained subject to Gods rule. When they disobeyed, they no longer were subject to Gods rule, they were independent. So he did kill them in that he allowed them to die.
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Peg
Member (Idle past 4948 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: 11-22-2008
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Re: Cowardice by any Name
bluescat48 writes: How did they know this when "God" only revealed himself to Israel? because Abraham lived with them in the same region. He and his family moved freely around the territory, they camped in areas where they had regular contact with the canaanites in places such as Shechem (Ge 12:6), Bethel and Ai (Ge 12:8), Hebron (Ge 13:18), Gerar (Ge 20:1), and Beer-sheba (Ge 22:19) Also, Rahab showed that she knew of Gods plan to give the land to the Isrealites which is why she asked to be spared.
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Peg
Member (Idle past 4948 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: 11-22-2008
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Re: Cowardice by any Name
sounds like you are describing human nature and i dont think i'm totally free of the traits you mention thats the beauty of christianity though, it allows people time to change whereas the mosaic law did not.
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Peg
Member (Idle past 4948 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: 11-22-2008
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Re: Cowardice by any Name
bluescat48 writes: Just knowing what others believe in doesn't mean that they will accept or adopt it. no, thats true however the account of Rahab shows that she knew of the inheritance issue. so it must have been a talking point for the Canaanites to some degree whether they believed it or not. obviously many didnt believe it because they chose to fight and they likely believed they would win the fight.
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Peg
Member (Idle past 4948 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: 11-22-2008
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Message 382 of 384 (518637)
08-06-2009 11:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 381 by Perdition
08-06-2009 9:24 AM
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Re: Less logical than I thought
Perdition writes: I would disagree with this interpretation. Again, if I threaten someone with death, having it come from old age 100s of years later doesn't mean I carried out my threat, even if I had the possibility to prolong their life. I didn't kill them, I just didn't stop them from dying. what you say is totally true for the example you give. but thats not what happened in the case of A&E. God purposely removed them from the one place where they would live forever. The power of life and death is in Gods hands and when A&E proved disloyal, he removed the prospect of everlasting life from them so that they had to die. even though it happened at a much later date, it was still the direct result of God removing them from his presence.
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Peg
Member (Idle past 4948 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: 11-22-2008
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Message 384 of 384 (518788)
08-08-2009 8:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 383 by Perdition
08-07-2009 10:33 AM
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Re: Less logical than I thought
Perdition writes: Or, perhaps closer to home, when England sent convicts to Australia and some of them died, was England responsible for their deaths? yes, the conditions they sent them in caused their death therefore they were responsible for those who died.
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