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Dan Carroll
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Message 3 of 183 (51026)
08-19-2003 10:12 AM
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08-19-2003 9:50 AM


Met a number of people who claim that births come out of homosexual encounters, have you?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 9 of 183 (51072)
08-19-2003 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by A_Christian
08-19-2003 11:07 AM


quote:
It would seem that IGNORACE is bliss.
I didn't ask you a rhetorical question. I'm honestly curious how many people have tried to tell you that a birth will result from homosexual sex.
There's a few questions of mine you didn't answer in the "God is a Deadbeat Dad" thread as well.
[This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 08-19-2003]

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Dan Carroll
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Message 35 of 183 (51189)
08-19-2003 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Trump won
08-19-2003 6:13 PM


quote:
Sexual prefence is a choice, its not a disease or a condition, and it doesnt happen genetically. Your not born gay.
Do you have any specific responses to the reasoning on this thread from those who said it is a genetic predisposition, or did you just want to make a blanket statement with no support?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 48 of 183 (51390)
08-20-2003 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Coragyps
08-20-2003 1:06 PM


And wearing two different kinds of cloth together.
And not travelling 100 yards or so outside of town when you have to take a crap.
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"God's watchin' me do number two? Oh, man! I'm a sinner and God's a pervert."
-Chris Griffin
[This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 08-20-2003]

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Dan Carroll
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Message 50 of 183 (51395)
08-20-2003 2:29 PM
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08-20-2003 2:12 PM


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Christians are bound by only 2 principles. Love the LORD your GOD with all your heart, might, soul and love your neighbor as yourself.
So... it doesn't matter if a Christian is a homosexual, or has an abortion, or uses birth control, etc, etc? As long as they love God and their neighbor?
Cool.
But wait... in the same post you tell Mammuthus that a Christian can't be a homosexual, because it's breaking God's rules. So I guess loving God and loving your neighbor isn't enough?
Okay, then why don't you bury your poop a hundred yards outside of town?
quote:
Who are YOUR neighbors?
I haven't met the ones who just moved in, but last year I had a crazed lunatic who was always cleaning his rifle, and a hairy weirdo who re-read "Lolita" one too many times for my taste.
Good guys. We used to go to four-dollar pitcher night at the Cove together.
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Dan Carroll
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Message 52 of 183 (51402)
08-20-2003 4:55 PM
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08-20-2003 4:26 PM


Okay. So why are you condemning homosexuals when you don't travel 100 yards outside the city to poop? Remember, to live an excuse is no excuse.
If I'm not mistaken, he who is without sin is supposed to cast the first stone. And considering that the punishment for breaking the laws in Leviticus is death, you can't really say that the 100-yard mad dash to the bathroom is less important than homosexuality.
You can't have it both ways. Either a strict adherence to God's commands is required, or it isn't. According to your own definitions on this forum, your pooping habits mean you are not a true Christian.
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Dan Carroll
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Message 54 of 183 (51410)
08-20-2003 5:43 PM
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08-20-2003 5:25 PM


And you are not to poop inside city limits or you must be put to death. If you are not obeying God's laws, but you are still calling yourself a Christian, who are you to say that another person can't do likewise?
I'd like a direct answer, please.
As for "nothing to do with marriage," it's largely Christian fundies keeping homosexuals from getting married. Can't blame them for your actions.
Regardless... why does sex that has nothing to do with procreation or marriage qualify as a god?
Again, I'd like direct answers to my questions.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 58 of 183 (51417)
08-20-2003 5:59 PM
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08-20-2003 5:53 PM


I didn't know, no. Which sect?
I know the Episcopalian church has been tossing around the idea of gay marriage. Which would be hysterically funny, because it will prevent Congress from defining marriage as between man and woman. After all, Congress cannot make any law which will prevent free practice of religion...

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Dan Carroll
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Message 77 of 183 (51520)
08-21-2003 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by A_Christian
08-21-2003 11:47 AM


quote:
Does a person wake up one morning & say, "I want to be a prostitute?"
Things happen in steps and stages. Choices we make during our lives
and the friends we listen to all have an influence. Some are for
the good and some are bad.
A couple years ago I was unemployed for a good six month stretch. To make ends meet, I spent a couple months as a homosexual. We all know that homosexuality, like prostitution, is borne out of economic necessity, after all.
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Homosexuals recruit the young and sin is sin.
There's this gay drill sargeant on my street. Every time I pass his office, he yells out, "TEN HUT! You look like the kind of man we could use in this-man-on-that-man's army, son! We'll pay for college if you do it with another guy!"
Because as we all know, homosexuals have an active recruitment drive, and will not rest until the whole world is gay. They'd be a lot more efficient if they involved the Freemasons, though.
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The ONLY reason for marriage is to start a responsible family unit with GOD at the top over the father supported by the wife and raising children in the understanding of the LORD.
Wow. You don't believe we should feel lust for women, or that love is a good reason for marriage?
Man, I'd hate to be your wife...

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Dan Carroll
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Message 79 of 183 (51525)
08-21-2003 12:13 PM
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08-21-2003 12:10 PM


quote:
However, Governor Gray Davis has said that he would sign AB 205 which would provide many of the state rights that come along with marriage to civil unions, but they, like Vermonts, are not marriage and do not convey any of the federal rights.
Somehow I don't think he'll get the chance.
Just a feeling I get.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 128 of 183 (51887)
08-22-2003 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by A_Christian
08-22-2003 4:33 PM


quote:
I believe that a literal interpetation is to be accepted where terms such as "LIKE" or "AS" are not applied in the text.
Well, yeah then. Screw the bible as metaphor, you don't even like similies.
quote:
I believe that GOD Created a PERFECT UNIVERSE (free of sin and
corruption). I Believe GOD CREATED Adam & Eve perfect and without
sin. I believe they were tempted (by Satan) and FELL from that perfect estate.
Actually, as a good literalist, you believe that they were tempted by the serpent. Unless I'm mistaken, Satan isn't mentioned by name even once in Genesis.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 136 of 183 (51905)
08-22-2003 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by A_Christian
08-22-2003 5:35 PM


quote:
Get yourself a STRONGS Concordance and look up "Serpant".
Done and done.
And yes, in Revelations, there is a serpent called the devil.
What does Revelations have to do with Genesis?
In literal terms, now... which word is used in Genesis? Serpent or Satan?
quote:
Remember, I use the Bible and not my opinion to understand the Scriptures----not Dan Carroll.
Considering that what I'm doing is referencing the text without interpretation, (you know... reading the word "serpent" as "serpent") I don't think you're doing much listening to either me or the bible.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 140 of 183 (51919)
08-22-2003 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by A_Christian
08-22-2003 6:13 PM


Re: Correction
quote:
I thought that you were smarter then that. I guess not.
Assume I'm an idiot.
Explain to me in very simple terms, so I can understand.
How can one have a literal reading of the bible which reads the word "serpent" as the word "satan?"
While we're at it, why would God punish Satan by making him crawl on his belly and eat dirt? Sounds a little... I dunno, playground bully-ish to me.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 153 of 183 (52136)
08-25-2003 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by A_Christian
08-25-2003 11:22 AM


quote:
I might assume that the numbers of Atheists and Agnostics
who just choose to live together and then split without the need of
"divorce" is much higher.
Actually, any couple that lives together for seven years or more is legally married, and will require a divorce if they split up. (In the US, at least.)
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Dan Carroll
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Message 165 of 183 (52208)
08-25-2003 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by A_Christian
08-25-2003 5:50 PM


Try this one on for size. My girlfriend had a friend in high school who was a lesbian. When this girl was 10 years old, her parents (devout Christians) found her playing "wedding" with another girl. They sent the other girl home and beat the holy living crap out of their daughter. This was not an isolated incident; any time this girl showed an interest in other girls she got beaten within an inch of her life.
I guess peer pressure was stronger though, because she still wound up a lesbian.

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