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Author Topic:   Evolutionary Theory Explains Diversity
greentwiga
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Message 141 of 160 (518261)
08-04-2009 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by caffeine
08-04-2009 6:02 AM


Re: Mitochondrial Eve
Sorry for the off-topic post, but I wanted to provide a quick correction. Mitochondrial Eve is not the most recent common ancestor, she was the most recent common matrilineal ancestor - the last ancestor we share in common counting only our mother's mother's mother's....etc. She would have predated the last common ancestor by many tens of thousands of years.
I as a fundamentalist Christian know that that is wrong. digress to chinese last names. Slowly, various last names have been dying out. If this trend keeps up, mathematically, they will end with only one last name. Imagine that a group of 1,000 men and 1,000 women survived the bottleneck of the Toba eruption. Then, periodically, one line of mitochondrial DNA died out. Lets say, every thousand years, half of the mitochondrial DNA lines disappeared. After 11,000 years, only one Mitochondrial DNA line would be left. Yet, all the other chromosomes from the rest of the 1,000 women would still be around. If we a truly came from just one woman at the time of Toba, we would have the genetic diversity of Cheetahs. Thus, we have a greater diversity of DNA than Cheetahs but less than a troop of Chimpanzees which did not suffer such a dramatic bottleneck. Yes, unfortunately for me, Mitochrondrial DNA does not prove that we are all descended from one woman who lived some 70,000 - 200,000 years ago depending on whose math you use.

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greentwiga
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Message 147 of 160 (518765)
08-07-2009 10:31 PM
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08-07-2009 8:33 AM


Re: Mitochondrial Eve
You have 2 parents, 4 grandparents, and 16 great grandparents. If you are male, you have a y chromosome from one great grandparent and mitochondrial DNA from another great grandparent. The other 14 have donated various parts of your other chromosomes, but we can't prove who donated what. If there were 500 women alive at the time of Mitochondrial Eve, just like your great grandparents, they donated a variety of genes, though only one woman donated all the mitochondrial DNA.

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greentwiga
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Message 153 of 160 (519007)
08-10-2009 12:39 PM
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08-10-2009 6:59 AM


Re: Mitochondrial Eve
Caffeine did not seem to understand what I was saying about Mitochondrial Eve. I was just trying another explanation.
Though I am a fundamentalist Christian, I am looking at the Bible to see if it allows for Evolution. One interpretation that I am looking at separates Adam and Eve from the creation of man in Gen 1:27. If so, there is no mention of how many humans were created in Gen 1:27, just that there were males and females.
Anthropology shows a slow change in stone tools over millions of years, then as if overnight, men start quickly inventing a large variety of stone tools.
I am considering whether, at that point, God changed the proto-humans into true humans.
My disagreement, if this theory is right, would then turn out to be with my fellow fundamentalist Christians.

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greentwiga
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Message 156 of 160 (519102)
08-11-2009 10:36 AM
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08-11-2009 8:38 AM


Re: Mitochondrial Eve
The key word is "as if" We can't differentiate between one day and 1,000 years for an event 50,000 years ago.
In Wikipedia, it refers to the great leap forward. Something changed for humans to start on this journey of creativity.
Human evolution - Wikipedia
Until about 50,000-40,000 years ago the use of stone tools seems to have progressed stepwise. Each phase (H. habilis, H. ergaster, H. neanderthalensis) started at a higher level than the previous one, but once that phase started further development was slow. These Homo species were culturally conservative, but after 50,000 BP modern human culture started to change at a much greater speed. Jared Diamond, author of The Third Chimpanzee, and other anthropologists characterize this as a "Great Leap Forward." Modern humans started burying their dead, making clothing out of hides, developing sophisticated hunting techniques (such as using trapping pits or driving animals off cliffs), and engaging in cave painting.[41] As human culture advanced, different populations of humans introduced novelty to existing technologies: artifacts such as fish hooks, buttons and bone needles show signs of variation among different populations of humans, something that had not been seen in human cultures prior to 50,000 BP. Typically, H. neanderthalensis populations do not vary in their technologies.

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