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Author Topic:   Understanding the Genetics of Speciation
zedman963
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Message 1 of 14 (519074)
08-11-2009 6:11 AM


I'm not a geneticist, only a medical student but am interested in evolution. Just to state my current stance at the moment, I believe in creation.
What I am wondering is how speciation is possible?
For the purposes of this discussion I am defining a species as two organisms who are so genetically different that if they can reproduce, then their offspring are sterile e.g. Horse + Donkey = Mule.
This is how much I understand so far:
1. One species is split into two groups due to some barrier.
2. These groups only breed within their own groups and are subjected to different pressures.
3. The variation in the gene pool means that those best suited to these pressures survive to pass on their genes to their offspring.
4. This results in two different gene pools.
It is the next step I don't understand, known as hybrid sterility:
5. For the two groups to form two separte species their gene pools have to have barriers to gene flow like horses and donkeys.
My questions:
1. Does anyone know a gene which has been shown to cause hybrid sterility between two closely related species e.g. peppered moths?
2. If a member of a the two groups does gain a mutation which confers hybrid sterility, how will he mate with any member of his isolated group in order to pass on his genes e.g. people with Down's syndrome, Klinefelter's syndrome, Turner's syndrome, etc. are all sterile? Any change in chromosome number seems to render an organism (at least humans anyway) sterile.

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zedman963
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Message 7 of 14 (519119)
08-11-2009 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by RAZD
08-11-2009 8:15 AM


Re: simplistic version of evolution and speciation
Unfortunately, that is not the definition used in biological evolution science - all that is necessary in biological evolution science is that the daughter populations fail to interbreed when provided the opportunity. The reasons for the failure could be genetic, or they could be behavioral - the daughter populations no longer see the other population as potential mates, and so do not engage in mating.
Yes I know what the definition used in biological evolution science is.
The reason I used only the genetic component is because that is the part that is difficult to understand. How physical barriers to gene flow form.
The biological evolution science definition is just a useful way of showing how gene flow can be blocked in organisms that live in sympatry. It explains reproductive isolation in sympatry but not genetic speciation.
Therefore, for the purposes of this discussion, I have only included the genetic component in the definition.

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zedman963
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Message 11 of 14 (519205)
08-12-2009 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by RAZD
08-11-2009 10:16 PM


Re: simplistic version of evolution and speciation
n one population of mosquitos, one population bred during the morning and one during the evening, and this behavior difference led to reproductive isolation even though both populations occupied the same ecology and otherwise interacted as one population. They looked and behaved as one species, however it was found that one carried malaria and the other didn't: when looked at in the microscope it was discovered that the shape of the genitals had altered to such an extent that interbreeding was no longer possible and speciation had occurred.
Thank you, this is very interesting.
My personal opinion (and I could be wrong) is that behavior changes occur first, resulting in preferential isolation, and that once that occurs, then the genetic changes that result in various levels of sterility and low viability will accumulate.
I have the same opinion. It is just difficult to get my head around the next step, the genetic component.
The camel and the llama are adapted to entirely different ecosystems, separated by oceans for eons, and yet they can be artificially inseminated and develop a viable offspring. That doesn't mean that one will survive in the other habitat as well as the adapted species. Genetic incompatibility doesn't need to occur to develop different organisms adapted to different ecologies.
Also very interesting. Just for clarity, by viable offspring, do you mean fertile?
Sorry already read Wounded King's response, I withdraw my question.
Edited by zedman963, : No reason given.

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