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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
You mean to tell me that out of all the atheists that exist in the world not one of them believes in guided transpermia? I don't know. You brought it up like you knew some big secret and you could show something(I am not sure what). Then you bring up Crick and you were totally debunked. So since you brought it up how about providing some evidence.
The point that I was really trying to make was Darwinism can be used as a religion.
But you do not provide any evidence. Just unsupported assertions.
Darwinism isn't a religion but when faith is added to it to the point when you think it disproves the existence or the need of an intelligent designer, then it is religion.
WTF? Faith? The Theory Evolution has no basis in faith, its basis is in scientific evidence. Please show this faith of which you speak.
I noticed there have been posts on this forum that essentially say that ID should be disqualified on the basis of religion. If this is so then I could say that everything that Richard Dawkins says in his books shouldn't carry any merit but I don't. The two things are no where near equal. Is anyone trying to get Dawkins taught in school? Does Dawkins have some doctrine of belief based on his books? He is an atheistic, scientist with very strong viewpoints. ID wants to supplant evolution in schools. Not equivalent. Id and its proponents claim an Intelligent designer started it all and designed(created) the species of the world. This is supernatural. You believe in a supernatural designer. You can call it what you will. If you claim you do not believe in the wedge document or the principles of the leading ID groups then you are a stooge being used by them. You are using their arguments which are rooted in religion. Which are rooted in fundamentalist christianity. You claim to be a follower of druidism. Which flavor do you follow? Druidism can mean many things. Ultimately follows of druidism believe in a god or gods. SO I think it is easy to see how your belief in ID is influenced by your religious beliefs. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Although you do have some points in some of your posts, I think we agree to disagree and there is no point in further arguing with our disagreements. I will let you have the last word. So you are not willing to provide any backing for the arguments you presented? That is very dissapointing. I guess I have to question all of your arguments and assertions if you are not willing to defend them. Oh, I don't disagree. Until you can provide some evidence for your assertions, I think the logical conclusion is you are wrong. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I think I am starting to understand you now. Work with the facts because the facts talk and the rest of it walks. Is that how you think? I have no idea what the hell that means. But do think that facts are very important. Evidence is very important. Subjective feelings are not worth much. Everyone has different ideas and impressions of everything. We nee to look at the underlying reality, the facts if you will, in order to figure out what is what. The scientific method helps us to do this. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Is atheism science? I think ID is science. If ID is not science it is a metascience. You claim ID is not religion, but you counter ID with Atheism. Interesting. You do know that atheism and the TOE are not in any way related don't you. But that you counter ID with the opposite of religion shows what you really feel about ID. I think Huntard did a great job replying to the other pints that could be made. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
There is physics and metaphysics and there is science and metascience. I got the term from Robin Collins. You do realize that metaphysics isn't a branch of physics don't you. It is a branch of philosophy. Metascience is just a made up ID word. D you kn \ow what they define metascience as? Try this, the unification of science and religion. Then you mention Robin Collins. But you continue to claim that you and ID have no religious component. All of your sources are religious. All of their arguments are religious. Robin Collins is a professor of philosophy at a religious college. Here is a quote from a student on the college web page.quote: More from that page.
quote: Collins teachers at a school that all employees and students must follow a covenant that says.
quote:If you question whether professors must follow this, according to the college website. quote: All of you ID sources are hyper religious, but you continue to claim that religion is not part of it.
Aren't you hunting for the truth? Ahh here is the kicker. No scientists are not hunting for the "truth". They are going where the facts lead them. The pursuit of the truth seems to be a need of the religious. We will never know 100% about much, but science keeps discovering more and more.
Why does a creator have to use supernatural powers to create life? If the creator is not supernatural,(I see you switched form designer to creator, is that telling or what) who created the creator. If it is not supernatural it most be aliens. Do you see where this is going? At some point you and the rest of the IDers must present some sort of EVIDENCE. As yet we ain't seen none. Oh by the way this is an open forum. Anyone can respond to anyone's posts. I do not think Huntard stuck his nose anywhere and of you have a problem with it tough. I welcome his and others input. Maybe you should listen to some of them. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Your post #390 was almost entirely a criticism of "Darwinism" (whatever that is). They truly believe that if they can show faults with TOE, then they have some how miraculously validated ID. They do not understand that even if TOE is proved wrong tomorrow, this does not make ID any more probable. The whole idea of science eludes them, even the scientists in the bunch. I guess that is what happens when your thoughts are consumed with finding the "truth". Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I don't know anything about Dembski's course. I don't see anything in science in your cut and paste but it is obvious that those are superficial guidelines. So why would I say that his course doesn't have any science. Gee, you might try following the link. The course syllabi are linked to inside.
quote: quote: Still no science. Guess that explains why they are PHILO courses. Oh and on the heading for each course syllabus he has the lovely gem.
quote: Facts be damned. All you need is faith. Lovely sentiment for a supposed science class. Oh that would be Pastor Jeremy LaBorde. Yup, ID is not religious at all. No sirree. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I have no disagreement there. Then why do you throw out the scientific method and support ID over the TOE? Unless you can show somewhere how ID has followed the scientific method. Remember the scientific method does not start with a conclusion and look for evidence to support it. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
That guy was obviously antichristian. Why would this matter to a non christian? You keep on claiming no religious motivation, but you are the one that keeps bringing a religious bent to everything. I haven't seen the video so I do not know whether it is antichristian as you say. Can you or Huntard point me to the particular post? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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