Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
6 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,815 Year: 3,072/9,624 Month: 917/1,588 Week: 100/223 Day: 11/17 Hour: 0/7


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Report discussion problems here: No.2
Granny Magda
Member
Posts: 2462
From: UK
Joined: 11-12-2007
Member Rating: 4.0


Message 121 of 468 (517059)
07-29-2009 9:49 AM


RCH Has a Hissy Fit
Reverend Cross Hugger has decided to eschew reasoned debate in favour of having a temper tantrum. That's fine; it's his prerogative if he wants to be a child.
What I object to is his implied threat to harass the site;
RCH writes:
btw anyone that gets band {sic} only need invest in some cheap IP masking software if they want to make a project of any site that is bigoted etc. (not that this site is bigoted, some of the members are unethical and unfair but I have not heard from the site administrator etc
From Message 109
If he doesn't think EvC is bigoted, why tell people about ways to attack it? I think some time on the naughty step is in order.
Mutate and Survive

"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

Replies to this message:
 Message 122 by RevCrossHugger, posted 07-29-2009 12:30 PM Granny Magda has not replied

RevCrossHugger
Member (Idle past 5351 days)
Posts: 108
From: Eliz. TN USA
Joined: 06-28-2009


Message 122 of 468 (517088)
07-29-2009 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Granny Magda
07-29-2009 9:49 AM


Re: RCH Has a Hissy Fit
I have been insulted and name called. I outlined the tos violations and the forum guidelines violations. I tried to be friendly (read my thread and then watch how the insults begin, I did not start with the mudslinging). I would like to see the instigators at least warned. As it is I can not post without defending myself at every turn. I am sorry this post is herkey jerky but I am upset and frankly somewhat fearful of what these guys will say next.
; {>

This message is a reply to:
 Message 121 by Granny Magda, posted 07-29-2009 9:49 AM Granny Magda has not replied

RevCrossHugger
Member (Idle past 5351 days)
Posts: 108
From: Eliz. TN USA
Joined: 06-28-2009


Message 123 of 468 (517089)
07-29-2009 12:35 PM


The IP masking software remark was directed at you genius in case you got banned. I said I would never sue (the latest post becasue its not worth the time, thats just more lies on your part.
Why should I get banned with remarks like these a partial list.
"If not, you're just an ignorant blowhard. And very likely a troll."
"you're beyond funny, RCH. You're just a crackbrained troll. Please, feel free to amuse me further until the admins finally have enough of your content-free, sue-happy accusational nonsense and ban you."
"The only thing being made out of it is that you come off as a complete douche and an idiot when you start talking about lawsuits over what's said on a casual debate forum. "
These are just a sample. More can be found in my thread (at least it was before it was hijacked.
Really who is at fault here, not I, I was simply trying to post.
: {>
Edited by RevCrossHugger, : No reason given.

Replies to this message:
 Message 124 by Admin, posted 07-29-2009 1:51 PM RevCrossHugger has replied

Admin
Director
Posts: 12998
From: EvC Forum
Joined: 06-14-2002
Member Rating: 2.2


Message 124 of 468 (517103)
07-29-2009 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by RevCrossHugger
07-29-2009 12:35 PM


I hereby request everyone to please be on their best behavior in the threads in which you're participating, and I'll keep my eye on things. I have my own theory about where the problem lies, but it's based on data from around 7/1, so I'll wait for more recent information.

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

This message is a reply to:
 Message 123 by RevCrossHugger, posted 07-29-2009 12:35 PM RevCrossHugger has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 125 by RevCrossHugger, posted 07-29-2009 4:31 PM Admin has seen this message but not replied

RevCrossHugger
Member (Idle past 5351 days)
Posts: 108
From: Eliz. TN USA
Joined: 06-28-2009


Message 125 of 468 (517123)
07-29-2009 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Admin
07-29-2009 1:51 PM


Done and thank you. I will strictly abide by the forum guidelines and spirit of this forum. I am personally sorry it has advanced to this level of flame. I am am extending an heartfelt apology and olive branch to everyone that I have harmed or simply riled up.
; {>
Edited by RevCrossHugger, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 124 by Admin, posted 07-29-2009 1:51 PM Admin has seen this message but not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 126 by DevilsAdvocate, posted 07-29-2009 6:26 PM RevCrossHugger has not replied

DevilsAdvocate
Member (Idle past 3101 days)
Posts: 1548
Joined: 06-05-2008


Message 126 of 468 (517133)
07-29-2009 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by RevCrossHugger
07-29-2009 4:31 PM


Ditto. I will try to be a good little boy and not rile people up anymore.

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

This message is a reply to:
 Message 125 by RevCrossHugger, posted 07-29-2009 4:31 PM RevCrossHugger has not replied

Admin
Director
Posts: 12998
From: EvC Forum
Joined: 06-14-2002
Member Rating: 2.2


(1)
Message 127 of 468 (517705)
08-02-2009 8:51 AM


A Brief Comment about Getting Along
The recent discussions between RAZD and Straggler served as a keen demonstration of how easy it is for disagreements to boil out of control into personal accusations and recriminations, so it comes as no surprise how easily this can happen when the differences are even more fundamental.
Both RAZD and Straggler felt the other was being dense or was purposefully distorting their position, and I'm seeing a lot of the same types of feelings being expressed with regard to a few recent newcomers. We have to remember that every topic is actually a lot more complex than we think, and that the weight each person attaches to each item of evidence can vary a great deal. It is even possible to discuss for a long time without realizing there's a fundamental difference in understanding that had gone unnoticed.
So we should have two goals in discussion here. The obvious goal is to convince someone of our own position, but the other equally important goal is understanding the other person's position, something that can be very difficult. Sometimes you'll find you're right, that the other person's position was completely bogus, but most people won't abandon a position they think is fine, and you likely won't be able to find the flaws in a position you don't understand.
AbE: I'm going to amend that last sentence to say something that I think is much more true:
You likely won't be able to convince someone of the flaws in their position until you understand it in the same way they do.
Edited by Admin, : Add AbE.

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

Replies to this message:
 Message 128 by RAZD, posted 08-10-2009 8:37 PM Admin has seen this message but not replied
 Message 133 by RAZD, posted 08-12-2009 8:33 PM Admin has replied
 Message 136 by New Cat's Eye, posted 08-13-2009 7:00 PM Admin has seen this message but not replied

RAZD
Member (Idle past 1405 days)
Posts: 20714
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004


Message 128 of 468 (519041)
08-10-2009 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Admin
08-02-2009 8:51 AM


another one for the trash bin and banning
see new proposed thread
Message 1
We don't need this kind of hate mongering

This message is a reply to:
 Message 127 by Admin, posted 08-02-2009 8:51 AM Admin has seen this message but not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 129 by Theodoric, posted 08-10-2009 8:53 PM RAZD has replied

Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9076
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.7


Message 129 of 468 (519045)
08-10-2009 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by RAZD
08-10-2009 8:37 PM


Re: another one for the trash bin and banning
And I love that one link posts that Connie Sonne was cheated by the Randi foundation. From what I have read she is a classic nutball. I figure the poster is someone just taking a class from Dembski.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 128 by RAZD, posted 08-10-2009 8:37 PM RAZD has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 130 by RAZD, posted 08-10-2009 9:06 PM Theodoric has replied

RAZD
Member (Idle past 1405 days)
Posts: 20714
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004


Message 130 of 468 (519047)
08-10-2009 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Theodoric
08-10-2009 8:53 PM


Re: another one for the trash bin and banning
look at the second link - is this a way to treat any human being?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 129 by Theodoric, posted 08-10-2009 8:53 PM Theodoric has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 131 by Theodoric, posted 08-10-2009 9:28 PM RAZD has seen this message but not replied
 Message 132 by Huntard, posted 08-11-2009 12:44 AM RAZD has seen this message but not replied

Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9076
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.7


Message 131 of 468 (519048)
08-10-2009 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by RAZD
08-10-2009 9:06 PM


Re: another one for the trash bin and banning
Saw it and felt it wasn't something I was comfortable even acknowledging. It is beyond the pale, offensive and typical of that type of hatemonger we are seeing more and more of, here and elsewhere on the internet and our news.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 130 by RAZD, posted 08-10-2009 9:06 PM RAZD has seen this message but not replied

Huntard
Member (Idle past 2295 days)
Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
Joined: 09-02-2008


Message 132 of 468 (519064)
08-11-2009 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by RAZD
08-10-2009 9:06 PM


Re: another one for the trash bin and banning
That's probably the same idiot who keeps coming back here with his same shit about James Randi and other skeptics. I suggest banning him again.

I hunt for the truth

This message is a reply to:
 Message 130 by RAZD, posted 08-10-2009 9:06 PM RAZD has seen this message but not replied

RAZD
Member (Idle past 1405 days)
Posts: 20714
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004


Message 133 of 468 (519267)
08-12-2009 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Admin
08-02-2009 8:51 AM


Re: A Brief Comment about Getting Along
Hi Percy, I'm putting my answer to Message 164 here so I don't disrupt the "Peanut Gallery" further.
Sorry, really, but I don't think this will go away until Straggler "mans-up" and either admits he was wrong or actually does the work necessary to show that he was right - something I have challenged him to do, and which he promise but has yet to do -- and promising to do something, and then not doing it, is lying in my book.
If you cannot discuss a topic without ad hominem then please don't discuss it here.
Curiously, I don't consider true observations of actual behavior to be ad hominems, but factual statements. If it were an isolated event, then that would be one thing, but when it is a consistent, persistent, unwavering and unrepentant series of false statements, forming the core of a persons argument, in spite of many posts on my part to correct them, then the complexion changes and the lies become a part of the argument being addressed.
I am frankly appalled that no admin has seen fit to tell Straggler to substantiate his claims or stop making them, and thus have adopted the policy of not reading a single thing he has to say anymore. This process would be alleviated by having another link under a persons name, below the one that shows only that persons posts, to hide all posts by said person - this could show up automatically when replies are made as "ignored". This is how other forums have dealt with trolls and trolling behavior.
To you and Straggler:
This is a peanut gallery, not a discussion thread.
Hopefully the same applies to moose: Message 158
And to Mark24: Message 163
Or are people allowed to just post their opinions discussing other people with no comments? Like a drive by shooting? Personally I think the ONLY valid use of a "Peanut Gallery" thread is to discuss a "Great Debate" by people not part of that debate. Any other comments could be made better on the threads involved.
You likely won't be able to convince someone of the flaws in their position until you understand it in the same way they do.
Curiously, part of that process is going back over previous posts by said person to see if in fact you HAVE misunderstood or read too much into them, to see if your opinion of their argument CAN be substantiated by actual posts of that person. This is what I do whenever anyone complains that I've been wrong about them.
Enjoy.

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
Rebel American Zen Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.


• • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •

This message is a reply to:
 Message 127 by Admin, posted 08-02-2009 8:51 AM Admin has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 134 by Admin, posted 08-12-2009 8:55 PM RAZD has replied
 Message 135 by Straggler, posted 08-13-2009 2:00 PM RAZD has seen this message but not replied

Admin
Director
Posts: 12998
From: EvC Forum
Joined: 06-14-2002
Member Rating: 2.2


Message 134 of 468 (519271)
08-12-2009 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by RAZD
08-12-2009 8:33 PM


Re: A Brief Comment about Getting Along
Hi RAZD,
The peanut gallery is for spectators to discuss the performance, not for the performers to discuss their performance.
All participants in all threads are asked to follow the Forum Guidelines, including rule 10:
  1. Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics.
Here at EvC Forum, members are asked to treat even racists, gay bashers and white supremacists politely and with respect. Let moderators handle any problems.
I am frankly appalled that no admin has seen fit to tell Straggler to substantiate his claims or stop making them, and thus have adopted the policy of not reading a single thing he has to say anymore. This process would be alleviated by having another link under a persons name, below the one that shows only that persons posts, to hide all posts by said person - this could show up automatically when replies are made as "ignored". This is how other forums have dealt with trolls and trolling behavior.
It's on the todo list. Last time I checked I was still only one guy.

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

This message is a reply to:
 Message 133 by RAZD, posted 08-12-2009 8:33 PM RAZD has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 137 by RAZD, posted 08-13-2009 9:47 PM Admin has seen this message but not replied

Straggler
Member
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 135 of 468 (519410)
08-13-2009 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by RAZD
08-12-2009 8:33 PM


Re: A Brief Comment about Getting Along
See Message 9

This message is a reply to:
 Message 133 by RAZD, posted 08-12-2009 8:33 PM RAZD has seen this message but not replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024