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Dr Adequate
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Message 271 of 315 (518150)
08-04-2009 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by Smooth Operator
08-03-2009 9:56 PM


The Clowning Of Werner Gitt
The foundations of Gitt's research are in Shannon, Chaitin, etc...
But this is complete rubbish. Not only is the "research" (and I use the term loosely) of that amusing charlatan Werner Gitt not founded in the work of Shannon, but his very definition of information is incompatible with that of Shannon. Not only is his "research" not founded in that of Shannon, they aren't even talking about the same thing when they say "information".

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Dr Adequate
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Message 300 of 315 (520033)
08-19-2009 5:35 AM
Reply to: Message 284 by Smooth Operator
08-06-2009 10:22 AM


Gitt's work is based on Shannon.
No.
But it improves it.
No.
But not in a mathematical department, but in general. So there is absolutly no sense to say that his arguments are not valid becasue he didn't use math. He wasn't even supposed to.
But he's pretending that what he's doing is information theory.
It's as though he pretended that his creationist gibberish was Euclidian geometry, and you defended his absurd lie by writing: "Gitt's work is based on Euclid. But it improves it. But not in a geometrical department, but in general. So there is absolutly no sense to say that his arguments are not valid becasue he didn't use geometry. He wasn't even supposed to."

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Dr Adequate
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Message 309 of 315 (520203)
08-19-2009 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Smooth Operator
08-19-2009 5:45 PM


How do you know?
How do you know?
Because I've read Gitt's nonsense.
Because it is. It's explaining what information is in general.
Look, information theory is a field of mathematics. A creationist lying about information is not doing information theory any more than a creationist lying about triangles is doing Euclidian geometry. OK? If Werner Gitt tried to redefine a triangle as a shape with four curved sides, he wouldn't be doing geometry, he wouldn't be improving geometry, he wouldn't have made a discovery in geometry --- he'd just be twisting words for the purposes of talking crap --- and if he pretended that what he was doing was geometry, that would be the biggest load of crap of all.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 312 of 315 (520207)
08-19-2009 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by Smooth Operator
08-19-2009 9:21 PM


Fine. Explain what exactly did you not like about it.
He's pretending that he's doing "information theory", which he isn't. Instead, he's just writing down a bunch of dumb creationist daydreams and calling them "information theory".
I might as well write:
Theorems of information theory:
Theorem 1: All the information in DNA was produced by evolution.
Theorem 2: Everything creationists say about information is rubbish.
Theorem 3: I win.
In fact, this would be better than Gitt's maunderings, because it would have the benefit of being true. But it still wouldn't be "information theory".
I know it is. I never said it wasn't. Gitt wasn't making any new model of information. He was taking all the existing concepts of information, and explaining how they work in general.
No. In particular, his concept of information is entirely opposed to Shannon's.
Where exactly did Gitt lie?
For one thing, he's pretending that what he's doing is "information theory". For another thing, he claims to have proved the creationist nonsense he's reciting.
That's true. But he wasn't doing that, now was he? If you think he was, than explain how.
He's redefining "information" in order to bullshit people such as yourself.
But, as I have written elsewhere:
By analogy, if Mr Gitt was a devout believer in the Norse gods, he might redefine "lightning" as "the effect produced when the thunder-god Thor swings his magic hammer Mjllnir". But this definition does not answer any substantive question about lightning: it would merely raise the question of whether there is any such thing as "lightning" in Mr Gitt's sense of the word.
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