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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, are my housecat and a Bengal tiger the same 'kind'? Are Humans and Chimpanzees the same 'kind"? Are field mice and capybaras the same kind? What about hippos and horses? Fish and dolphins?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Here is a great review of "Darwin on Trial" by Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education. http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/resources/165252685546.asp
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I'll put up $5.00. Now it's looking pretty sweet, huh?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yeah, just like Fox News, right? I wonder what happens when those good "Christian" school instructors come across some evidence that contradicts their interpretation of what nature is "supposed" to be like according to the Bible? Do you think they present it to the children, or do you think they might just skip over that part?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No, the law in the US is not based upon the ten commandments. If it were, it would be illegal in the US to worship any other god other than the "One True God" (TM) of the Bible. That is the first commandment, you know. Actually, only a couple of the commandments have anything to do with our laws, but they are pretty universal; don't kill, steal, etc. Most of the Biblical commandments have to do with worship, creating graven images, etc. The US law is based upon the US Constitution, and in particular, individual human rights. "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." It's "We, the PEOPLE". Not "We, the Christian people".
quote: You missed the point. The point is that it is clearly a violation of our constitutional rights to choose our own religious path when our government begins to promote a certain religion over all others in our publicly-funded institutions. How about we enshrine a copy of the Bhagavad-Gita, or the Sacred Writings of the Bah? Faith, or the writings of the Buddha in a public government building? How would you feel about that? Here is the first ammendment of our Constitution, emphasis added by me: "Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 08-26-2003]
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Is this a cut n paste from another site?
If the work is not your own, you need to provide the source and the author, otherwise you are breaking forum guidelines.
quote: Considering that Evolution is science, and is supported by evidence, why wouldn't it make it's way into supbic school science classrooms?
quote: Um, isn't religious education something that the US government has NEVER had the right to dictate to it's citizens?
quote: Um, false. We can measure uplift rates and conclude that the alps were very similar in height a few thousand years ago that they are now.
quote: No, but if the pile of broken shards is found in the context of an archelogical dig in which it is located under 100 feet of dirt, that tells you something, eh?
quote: What indications are those? Do you have Adam's skeleton?
quote: This is relevant why???
quote: Exactly. That's why they are not testable, and therefore are not scientifically valid.
quote: Um, revelation has never been a part of modern science, and it was only when science broke free from the interference of the Church that we began to truly gain understanding of nature in leaps and bounds. Opinion is not the main power of science. Logic, evidence, and repeatability is.
quote: Schience has NEVER attempted to answer the question of "Why we exist." Science describes how things work. Philosophy answers the "why".
quote: Science seeks to provide naturalistic explanations for naturalistic phenomena. That's it.
quote: Great, but why then do you reject science's explanation of the HOW when your own two eyes can observe what thousands of scientists have observed?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: quote: Repeatability is very much a part of historical science. When many different scientists all over the world find the same kinds of organisms in the same geologic layers, that is a repeated test of the theory that the geologic column is consistent across the entire Earth. When many different geologists independently date rocks from different parts of the geologic column over and over and over again, and they consistently show consistent dates for the rocks, that is repeatability.
quote: ...only go so far in what endeavor? Logic and evidence has gotten humans to the moon and back, have eliminated small pox, and have made it possible for us to write messages on a keyboard and people anywhere in the world can read them nearly instantly.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Hi defender,
I have a reply waiting for you in the Welcome forum regarding horse evolution...
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