Message 23 of 687 (520609)
08-22-2009 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by kbertsche
08-22-2009 11:35 AM
Re: What's the time frames, and how about common ancestry
The second verse says that now the earth exists in an unfinished state. The third verse describes, from an earth-centered perspective, six "days" of finishing the rest of creation.
I do not believe it exists in an unfinished state in Genesis 1:1.
Therefore it had become an empty uninhabitable place. It was in darkness and covered with water. Inhabitable to water creatures only, maybe.
|Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else. |
According to Isaiah God did not create the earth tohuw. (vain}
Yet in Genesis 1:2 it is said to be tohuw (without form)
So if God did not create it tohuw in Genesis 1:1 as he states in Isaiah 45:18 it came to exist tohuw as it is in Genesis 1:2.
That would solve my problem as there was an eternal light period that had ended in Genesis 1:2 as far as the earth was concerned.
I don't follow this argument. Can you expand on it?
I will expand below.
According to Genesis 2:7 the first life on earth was mankind before plants, animals or fowls.
This is clearly not consistent with modern science, and I don't see how it is consistent with Gen 1, either. (In Gen 1, all other life appears before man.) Can you give a fuller textual explanation for your conclusion that man was the first life form on earth?
It may not be consistent with Genesis 1:2 - 1:31 But it is consistent with Genesis 1:1.
I don't see how it could be inconsistent with modern science as modern science does not know how life came to exist. It is not consistent with what is believe to be the way it happened.
As a 10 year old boy reading the Bible I read Genesis chapter 1 and was confused as to how the universe God created was in such a mess at Genesis 1:2. It just did not fit. God is perfect, everything He does is perfect. The earth was not perfect at Genesis 1:2.
So I continued to read and I found a verse that claimed to explain what happened in Genesis 1:1.
|Genesis 2:4 These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, |
The next day I went to the school library and looked up the word generations. I had problems with how what I read could be used in that verse so I asked my English teacher to explain. She said well generations is the history of a family as you trace the family tree.
So then I understood Genesis 2:4 to be saying it was the history of what happened in the day God created the heaven and the earth.
After studying the Bible for the last 60 years, and Hebrew for many of those years I have come to the conclusion that 10 year old was right.
Genesis 1:1 declares that God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 2:4 declares to be the history/account of what happened in the day the Lord God created the earth and the heavens.
Earth first as the emphasis will be on the earth.
Genesis 2:5 tells us the earth was uninhabited, it had not rained, and there was no man.
Genesis 2:6 tells us the face of the earth was watered by a mist from the earth.
Genesis 2:7 tells us God formed man from the dust of the earth and breathed into that form the breath of life and he became a living soul.
Life existed in God and He imparted life into man. Verifying life begats life.
Genesis 2:8 tells us God planted a garden for man to live in.
Genesis 2:9 tells us God caused fruit bearing trees to grow and also the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden.
Genesis 2:10 - 2:14 describes a river that flowed from Eden that divided into four and watered the whole land.
Genesis 2:15 restates the putting of man into the Garden.
Genesis 2:16 tells us the man was told he could freely eat of the fruit of the trees.
Genesis 2:17 tells us there was one exception to the trees man could eat the fruit of. He was told the day he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would die.
Genesis 2:18 God said it was good that man should be alone.
Genesis 2:19 tells us out of the ground God formed the animals and the fowls.
Genesis 2:20 tells us the man named all the animals and fowl.
Genesis 2:21 tells us God took a rib from the man.
Genesis 2:22 tells us God made a woman from that rib.
Genesis 2:23 tells us the man said "she shall be called woman because she was taken out of man".
Genesis 2:24 tells us man would give up all for the woman he loved.
skipping the fluff
Genesis 3:6 tells us the woman ate the fruit and when she gave it to her husband he chose to eat the fruit also. Proving what he said in Genesis 2:4 he gave up everything unto death for the woman.
Genesis 3:7 - 4:24 tells us of their eyes being opened. God kicking them out of His estate into the world. There they had children who had children, who built a city.
There were two people in this account that died. Able and a young man slain by Lamech.
No age of any of these people are ever mentioned anywhere.
Don't get hung up on the transliteration of the Hebrew word for man.
This is the end of this account as I have not been able to tie anything else to it. That does not mean there is not more that belongs with this story.
All these events took place in the light period of the day the Lord God made the earth and the heaven.
Which brings us to the evening at Genesis 1:2, darkness had come, water covered the face of the earth and there was no inhabitants.
God is light so He brought fourth light in Genesis 1:3.
In Genesis 1:4 God separated the light and darkness.
In Genesis 1:5 God called the light day and the darkness He called night. He then combined the evening (darkness) found in Genesis 1:2 with the light period that began 12 hours later as day one.
In the following 5 24 hour periods we have described several things that took place with large numbers of huge water creatures being bara (created). We also have a male and a female mankind created in Genesis 1:27 in the image/likeness of God.
This couple was created at the same time after all animals, fish, and fowl was made/created.
This man and woman was never placed in a garden.
This couple are told to:
Genesis 1:28 Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.
Genesis 1:29 They were told they could eat the fruit from any tree. Nothing was forbidden for them to eat.
Genesis 1:31 tells us this was the end of day six.
Genesis 2:1 tells us everything was finished.
Genesis 2:2 tells us God ceased from His work of making things.
Genesis 2:3 tells us God ceased from all his bara (creating) He is still ceased from creating but will resume when He creates a New Heaven and a New Earth.
I would like to point out there was no seas in the story of chapter 2 as water creatures were not created at that time. There was only the rivers and the mist.
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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