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lyx2no Member (Idle past 5034 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Considering that science has proven the broader story of Genesis to be false, isn't it only logical to assume that the first 10 words are also false? I too consider it false. Not based on the rest of Genesis but on there being nothing to indicate that there is a god to start with. It's not the man that knows the most that has the most to say. Anon
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2450 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
quote:Science has not "proven the broader story of Genesis to be false." Science has proven some specific interpretations of "the broader story of Genesis" to be false. Specifically the naive, ultra-literalistic interpretations preferred by YECs and by militant atheists.
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2450 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
quote:You consider something false simply because you don't see any independent verification? This would be a sensible reason to withhold judgment, but not to judge it as false!
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 5034 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Do you believe in the Easter bunny?
It's not the man that knows the most that has the most to say. Anon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 1155 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
kbertsche writes: Science has not "proven the broader story of Genesis to be false." Science has proven some specific interpretations of "the broader story of Genesis" to be false. Specifically the naive, ultra-literalistic interpretations preferred by YECs and by militant atheists. While I agree with your statement in general, I am puzzled as to what constitutes a 'miliant' athiest. Is it entirely based upon verbal or written criticism of religion such as Dawkins (who explicitly does not criticize my religion as stated in the first chapter of the God Delusion) or PZ Myers? I think what puzzles me most is how can one call atheists 'militant' when I can't recall a single instance of a car bombing, school (or abortion doctor) shooting, or any other recent act of terrorism based upon a primary motivation of atheism. Perhaps you can provide some examples, I vaguely remember maybe one in the last 30 years. Edited by anglagard, : add abortion doctor as it is a clear act of terrorism The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4508 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
I think what puzzles me most is how can one call atheists 'militant' when I can't recall a single instance of a car bombing, school (or abortion doctor) shooting, or any other recent act of terrorism based upon a primary motivation of atheism. No they call us militant because we atheists have the audacity to criticize their sacred myths. Edited by bluescat48, : emphasis There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2450 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
quote:Good questions. By "militant" I mean those who are engaged in a (verbal) war against God and religion, trying to eradicate religion and belief in God. Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, and Sam Harris are examples of this. (Perhaps we could use the term "extreme atheist," but this doesn't capture the warfare-against-religion mindset that "militant atheist" does.) The point is that these folks tend to interpret the Bible in the worst possible light to further their agenda, rather than trying to understand what it is really saying. Not all atheists are so militant. Some are more open-minded and are willing to co-exist with religious people and to try to understand them. Lawrence Krauss, for example, is a strong atheist but not so militant as the three mentioned above. Edited by kbertsche, : No reason given.
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Sasuke Member (Idle past 5473 days) Posts: 137 Joined: |
ICANT,
Your claim that there is no evidence suggesting how the universe came to exist is false. Follow the BB model and the evidence suggesting it occured such as redshift or mbr... Your claim that Science has no evidence suggesting how life came to exist is also false too. Simply follow the evidence for a biogenesis which is seperate from the TOE. The issue is not that there is or is not evidence for god-creation or any-idea-of-evolution but rather, in regards to EVC arguments, what is more plausible? Do try to think in probabilities. Edited by Sasuke, : clarity Sasuke!
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Sasuke Member (Idle past 5473 days) Posts: 137 Joined: |
anglagard,
anglagard writes: While I agree with your statement in general, I am puzzled as to what constitutes a 'miliant' athiest. Is it entirely based upon verbal or written criticism of religion such as Dawkins (who explicitly does not criticize my religion as stated in the first chapter of the God Delusion) or PZ Myers? I think what puzzles me most is how can one call atheists 'militant' when I can't recall a single instance of a car bombing, school (or abortion doctor) shooting, or any other recent act of terrorism based upon a primary motivation of atheism. Perhaps you can provide some examples, I vaguely remember maybe one in the last 30 years.
Look up the hitler-darwin connection...click-here Sasuke!
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ochaye Member (Idle past 5557 days) Posts: 307 Joined: |
'Considering that science has proven the broader story of Genesis to be false, isn't it only logical to assume that the first 10 words are also false?'
Science has proven beyond a shadow of doubt that the literal view of early Genesis is false, but that anyone should take that view is the second biggest mystery in the history of the universe.
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Sasuke Member (Idle past 5473 days) Posts: 137 Joined: |
caldron68,
caldron68 writes: Considering that science has proven the broader story of Genesis to be false, isn't it only logical to assume that the first 10 words are also false? You can't "prove" Genesis to be false or true. Sasuke!
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Sasuke Member (Idle past 5473 days) Posts: 137 Joined: |
lyx2no,
do you believe in protons, electrons, and neutrons? Edited by Sasuke, : err Sasuke!
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Sasuke Member (Idle past 5473 days) Posts: 137 Joined: |
ochaye,
whether or not the story in Genesis is true or false can't be proven. You can however lean one way or the other... Or try to think in probabilities.. Edited by Sasuke, : err Sasuke!
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ochaye Member (Idle past 5557 days) Posts: 307 Joined: |
'the hitler-darwin connection'
A myth propagated by people as despicable as Hitler, and more dangerous. Do not be taken in. Evolution has made Homo sapiens into the social animal par excellence, and defined the likes of Nazis as biological as well as moral retards. Yes, evolution is moral. Something to meditate upon.
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Sasuke Member (Idle past 5473 days) Posts: 137 Joined: |
ochaye,
ochaye writes: 'the hitler-darwin connection'A myth propagated by people as despicable as Hitler, and more dangerous. Do not be taken in. Both are arguments/opinions... Neither can be proven true or false..
ochaye writes: Evolution has made Homo sapiens into the social animal par excellence, and defined the likes of Nazis as biological as well as moral retards.
Also an opinion can't be proven true or false.
ochaye writes: Yes, evolution is moral. Something to meditate upon. Morality is a concept of man just like religion. You could say that morality is probably a product of evolution, sure, but not that evolution is moral.. LOL.. Edited by Sasuke, : addition Edited by Sasuke, : clarity Sasuke!
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