What I have noticed about these debates...

However, for the record, as another of those ex-YEC's, "On the Origin of Species" is a powerful, powerful book. Admittedly, I was already converted to evolution when I read it, but it gave me a perspective I'd never heard on any internet debate board or in any other book.Nowadays, with all the info we have, most papers on evolution begin with the past and work toward the present. Darwin begins with the present and works toward the past. In doing so, he makes all the debates about radiometric dating and gaps in the fossil record irrelevant. He fills the world around us with missing links and passes on information so fascinating that it feels terrible not to be able to repeat it.It's still my favorite book on evolution, and, in my opinion, the most convincing one out.Not to dismiss anything you or Crash said. Obviously we've come a long way since 1859, and "Origin of Species" won't catch you up on biology. But what a great book! And I don't think Gould or Dawkins are as convincing as Darwin. He did write his book to convince creationists, after all.

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In Tennessee, for instance, if you are a Christian and you will affirm a literal Biblical view, including disavowing evolution because of Genesis One, then you can home school your children with no problem whatsoever. You can set up a school and let your children attend the school only four hours a day. It is against the law for the government to test or assess your teachers.If, however, you do not take the Bible literally, then you have to send your children to school six hours a day, your teachers must be credentialed, and you must have a salaried staff running the school.State supported creationism right here in the United states. Interesting, isn't it?

I'll match that. It would be worth it.Maybe we could take up a collection and offer it around to the major organizations. Just think if they actually gave us a definition of kind to work with. If someone like Answers in Genesis would do it (or surely Kent Hovind would give it a shot if we could collect $1000 or so), then you scientist types would have an actual solid stance that creationists had taken that you could work with.

I've only read up to this post, #198, but 213 have been written. I have fifteen more to read. Let me make a prediction before I read them.Evolutionists on this forum will happily discuss this issue in those fifteen posts, even though it's off topic and against forum rules!On the other hand, the creationist--that would be you--will duck and run as soon as the evolutionists have had their say, because there will be nowhere he can turn for any factual, honest response to the evolutionists arguments.That's what always happens, 100% of the time, and it is the number one, main reason that I am no longer a YEC. It will happen this time, too.......

Congratulations, Admin "wet blanket" Brian, I haven't noticed any of the other admins quite so directly rebuked by a wayward member. You moved right to the front in your first couple of weeks! :-)On a more serious note, I don't think I've seen any other poster quite so unaware of his/her own behavior. Sure Salty or Scotty may have slaughtered the rules here or there, but they both knew they brought trouble on themselves. A_Christian needs an award from "Most Oblivious Poster."