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Topic: Do fossils disprove evolution?
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 7 of 121 (521148)
08-26-2009 8:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by cpthiltz
08-26-2009 4:46 AM
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Remedial Evolution 101
Hi cpthiltz, and welcome to the fray. In Message 1 you state:
... I have a basic knowledge on evolution, ... And then you post this:
Why is there hardly any evidence in the fossil record of the millions & millions of complex organism with failed mutations? Evolution brings order out of chaos, the chaos must leave behind some "mess" surely? - this "mess" being millions of recorded failed mutations within the fossil record. Which betrays a vast ignorance of the basics of evolution and what the fossil record shows. If you did have a basic understanding, then you would realize that what you have posted is rubbish thinking.
Why does the fossil record show little/no evidence of the millions of failed mutation which must have occurred for every successful one? To explore why you think it should, lets start with the basics: (1) what is evolution, the basic process, in biology? (2) how does evolution occur? (3) what happens to cause speciation? That should be a good starting point: three easy questions for anyone who understands the basics of evolution. Enjoy.
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RAZD
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Message 16 of 121 (521558)
08-27-2009 10:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by greyseal
08-27-2009 7:49 AM
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Links and information links (and information)
Hi greyseal, [:wave:] please just go to the library and read up on paleontology, geology and perhaps even beg, borrow, steal or buy "the origin of species" See Darwin Onlineand http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F373&...the text is searchable. Also see
Sir Charles Lyell, Principles of Geology, 1830 editionwith links to other original works by scientists in various fields. Lots of good information available. Enjoy.
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RAZD
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Re: Good question
Welcome to the fray, ApostateAbe
"Why is there hardly any evidence in the fossil record of the millions & millions of complex organism with failed mutations?" There's an easy way to mark quotes: type [qs]quotes are easy[/qs] and it becomes:
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also check out (help) links on any formatting questions when in the reply window. For other formatting tips see Posting Tips We do have much more redundancy than we would expect. The evolution, given the fossils, seems step-wise rather than continuous. I think this is pretty well explaned with punctuated equilibrium, where the fossils tend to represent the stable majority population instead of the evolving minority. I bring that up because it seems to be a common objection, and I am not sure if that helps or not. But even punk-eek can take many generations to develop, it just seems rapid by comparison to the timeline of fossils. Enjoy.
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RAZD
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Message 44 of 121 (525575)
09-23-2009 8:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 43 by Coragyps
09-23-2009 5:11 PM
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Re: Mutation Rates
must have reached his 10 post requirement.
CHALLENGE: Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary Intelligent Design Students Edited by RAZD, : link
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RAZD
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Message 48 of 121 (526069)
09-25-2009 7:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 47 by ICdesign
09-25-2009 11:07 AM
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Both Sides
Hi ICDESIGN, welcome to the fray.
Apart from intelligent design, what can coordinate the incidental changes that hereditary transmission passes from one generation to the next? I object to your monolithic characterisation of design as intelligent, and challenge you to show why we shouldn't discuss BOTH SIDES of the Design Controversy. Enjoy.
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RAZD
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Message 69 of 121 (526123)
09-25-2009 11:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 50 by ICdesign
09-25-2009 8:49 PM
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Re: Both Sides
Hi again ICDESIGN,
Both sides should be discussed, absolutely. Great. Then I'll see you on the BOTH SIDES of the Design Controversy thread. Enjoy.
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RAZD
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Message 106 of 121 (526307)
09-26-2009 4:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 85 by ICdesign
09-26-2009 12:47 PM
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Observed avoidance of issues
Hi ICDesign
I was looking at how much time you spend trying to defend evolution I was looking for you to debate both sides of the design controversy, but you haven't said boo yet. see Silly Design Institute: Let's discuss BOTH sides of the Design Controversy... A dog has been and always will be a dog. Care to discuss why this is so?
Dogs will be Dogs will be ??? Of course you may need more than one-liners and bald assertions. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : st
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RAZD
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Message 111 of 121 (526343)
09-26-2009 7:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 107 by ICdesign
09-26-2009 5:14 PM
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Re: mocking bird
Hi ICDesign,
content hidden Ah, I see that you do NOT want to debate both sides of the design controversy, what you want to do is declare that your opinion is true. Thanks for making that clarification. Mockingbird - Wikipedia
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Darwin and mockingbirds
When the survey voyage of HMS Beagle visited the Galpagos Islands in September to October 1835, the naturalist Charles Darwin noticed that the mockingbirds Mimus thenca differed from island to island, and were closely allied in appearance to mockingbirds on the South American mainland. Nearly a year later when writing up his notes on the return voyage he speculated that this, together with what he had been told about Galpagos tortoises, could undermine the doctrine of stability of species. This was his first recorded expression of his doubts about species being immutable, which led to him being convinced about the transmutation of species and hence evolution.[4] It was only after the ship returned to England that he found out about the better known Darwin's Finches.
Bird Intelligence: The Mockingbird
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In an experiment that could be repeated in almost any American back yard, Douglas Levey (et al) grabbed headlines by showing Mockingbirds can distinguish between human individuals, and will attack persons they recognize as threatening -- while ignoring others they have decided are harmless. The birds recognize and remember people based upon as few as two encounters that can last less than 30 seconds.
Brain studies have long suggested Mockingbirds are unusually bright.
Fascinating what you can learn about the real world eh? Enjoy.
{Maybe slightly on-topic. But I doubt it. - Adminnemooseus} Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic stuff.
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RAZD
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Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Welcome to the fray, Calypsis4.
I am enjoying my first day on this website but sir, I have a question.
I like to post illustrations and have made a few so far. Is there a rule about pictoral illustrations as far as the number per post? See Posting Tips for some useful tip. Enjoy.
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