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Peg
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Message 157 of 453 (520940)
08-25-2009 5:09 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by PaulK
08-25-2009 4:51 AM


Re: Not 300 ft boards! Doh!!
PaulK writes:
So where's your evidence that genealogies of real people never include mythical people ?
Julias may have claimed to have descended from a god, but no one ever claimed that Noah was
he was simply a man who's geneology is still available...there is nothing extravagant about his geneology, its a fairly standard record and for this reason its quite believable.

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Peg
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Message 158 of 453 (520941)
08-25-2009 5:13 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by Huntard
08-25-2009 5:07 AM


Re: Not 300 ft boards! Doh!!
Huntard writes:
What the hell? You really do have problems with logic, don't you?
it would not be logical for anyone's genealogy to include a mythical person
I bet you Julius caesars geneology, if it existed, does not have the name of the god he said he decsended from in it
Yet, we have the geneology of a man who is supposed to be a myth!!!

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Peg
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Message 164 of 453 (520950)
08-25-2009 6:41 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by anglagard
08-25-2009 6:04 AM


Re: Not 300 ft boards! Doh!!
anglagard writes:
For another thing, was it uncommon? Not in my research in history. Virtually every ancient emperor claimed divine descent regardless of place be it Rome, Persia, China, Japan, or Mexico, among others. It goes with the territory.
yes they did claim it but this isnt the issue really
no one claimed Noah was of divine origin, we have a geneology of a man who was simply a man... why is that so unbelievable?

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Peg
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Message 202 of 453 (521350)
08-27-2009 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by pandion
08-25-2009 12:14 PM


Re: Anything Goes
pandion writes:
Nonsense. According to Strong's "gopher" comes from an unused root that probably meant "to house in." Strong's defines the word as "the wood from which the ark was made, meaning and exact type unknown."
by saying nonsense do you mean that you've looked at other sources besides 'Strongs'?
Should I take it that this means Strongs is the authority on hebrew words?
If strongs know so much, how come they dont know that there is no such thing as an 'unused' root word....what do they think a 'root' word is???
pandion writes:
You said that we know what gopher wood is, not that we guess what it may have been. Further, "resinous wood" doesn't tell us what wood it was.
You see, we just don't know. It's a myth anyway.
well what i meant was that if gopher comes from the root of the same word for 'tar', then it means they are related. There is no 'if' as in no one is really sure... We know it comes from this root because hebrew word structure is built on root words. There is a relationship between the meanings of words when they come from the same root.
this is why there are so many different words that can be used for one meaning.
for example, the words labor, service, servant, serve, slaveall these words come from the root word 'WORK'
in hebrew, the root is based on 3 consonants. As you add or rearrange the vowels, the word changes...but the meaning always revolves around the root word.
In the case of 'gopher' the root meaning is 'tar' and therefore the tree was a tree with the properties of 'tar'...this is a resin therefore the tree is resinous...the tree most in supply in the middle east is the cypress tree but of course there is no way to know for sure if it means a cypress tree, perhaps there is another sort of resinous tree avail that we dont know about.

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Peg
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Message 203 of 453 (521353)
08-27-2009 6:56 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by Theodoric
08-25-2009 9:39 AM


Re: Limits of Wood
Theodoric writes:
Do you accept there was a bronze age, followed by an iron age?
How do you know what level metal forging was in Noah's day? If he knew advance metallurgy why did he not pass it on?
no one knows to what level but the bible says in Gen 4:22 that in the 7th generation after Adam’s creation a man named Tubal-cain was the forger of every sort of tool of copper and iron. Perhaps before this time they were only using stone implements, but within his lifetime copper and iron were being forged. This does not necessarily mean that everybody was using this technology, but obviously this man had begun to use it. And seeing it took noah 40 years to built the ark, its possible that he had time to learn some of the art himself.
Theodoric writes:
Where the heck are the remnants of this magic boat? We should be able to find the metal remnants. Some sort of copper alloy would be good metal to use on his boat. Copper alloys are much more resistant to weather than iron and some extent even steel. Where is the evidence?
my guess is that the ark is well hidden under tons of ice and snow on the top of Mount Ararat where it was said to come to a rest. Personally, i dont think anyone will ever find it for the reason that God does not compel anyone to believe in him and if it was found then im sure lots of people would feel compelled to believe.

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Peg
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Message 204 of 453 (521355)
08-27-2009 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by hooah212002
08-25-2009 1:56 PM


Re: An Observation
hooah212002 writes:
In the IT field, it's called "job security". Noah was the only one sacred enough to be privy to this newfangled way of shipbuilding.
but noah didnt built a boat, he built a box with compartments.

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Peg
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Message 205 of 453 (521356)
08-27-2009 7:18 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by iano
08-25-2009 6:34 PM


Re: An Observation
iano writes:
You got any technical objections to a big raft?
what sort of raft?
i hope you dont mean one like the one in the movie 'shipwreched' with Tom Hanks. lol

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Peg
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Message 206 of 453 (521358)
08-27-2009 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Percy
08-25-2009 10:51 AM


Re: An Observation
Percy writes:
This is why this thread is full of incredible claims about the technology and shipbuilding skills of ancient Middle Eastern desert traders. It isn't impossible that Noah had access to shipbuilding technologies we're unaware of today, or that he somehow developed them himself (as well as anticipating the need for them), and this is all that creationists require to be satisfied.
thats because we are an open minded bunch
which is kind of odd seeing its science that has made the impossible, possible, yet the scientific community are the ones least likely to believe in the seemingly impossible
We've all heard the saying 'Where there is a will there is a way!' There is a reason why God said at Genesis 11:6 "there is nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be unattainable for them"
here we are in todays world, watching live footage from all over the world streamed to our televisions, travelling to the moon finding new worlds, curing disease, prolonging life, cloning life, performing all sorts of amazing surgery, mapping genes, assisting infertile couples to have a baby and yet many are still skeptical about a man who built a box that could float.
:shock:

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