homosexuality and the Bible

You seem to have it backwards...if atheists don't have as high a divorce rate as those of faith it would appear the atheists take the "institution of marriage" more seriously...or at least the tax break one gets

Manmmuthus:Firstly, I assume that anyone who says they are "Christian" were
considered to be Christian".
Secondly, I might assume that the numbers of Atheists and Agnostics
who just choose to live together and then split without the need of
"divorce" is much higher. If those numbers were then added to
the mix and we define "Christian" as those who regularly attended
evangelical Bible churches, you might see a shift. In any case
GOD hates divorce and fornication is a sin no less grievous.

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I might assume that the numbers of Atheists and Agnostics
who just choose to live together and then split without the need of
"divorce" is much higher.

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Actually, any couple that lives together for seven years or more is legally married, and will require a divorce if they split up. (In the US, at least.)[This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 08-25-2003]

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Firstly, I assume that anyone who says they are "Christian" were
considered to be Christian".

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I assume so as well since there is no other way to tell.

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Secondly, I might assume that the numbers of Atheists and Agnostics
who just choose to live together and then split without the need of
"divorce" is much higher.

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You may be right as I have no data..however, my experiences in Germany and in the US was that lots of people lived together for extended periods unmarried whether christians or not i.e. it did not seem to have much of an influence on their decisions on whether or not to get married...in any case, in many places there is a tax break for married couples and thus, often people who plan on staying together anyway, marry to get the tax break i.e. huge numbers of civil weddings...but I don't know what the actual religious/lack of religion breakdown in numbers is for people who co-habitate and do not marry.

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If those numbers were then added to
the mix and we define "Christian" as those who regularly attended
evangelical Bible churches, you might see a shift

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Why cut out the rest of the Christians? By that criteria why not skew the data by only including christians that once owned chihuaha's and like Jerry Lewis movies?

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In any case
GOD hates divorce and fornication is a sin no less grievous.

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Since I don't believe in god this is irrelvant for me...I stay with and married my wife because I enjoy her company more than anyone elses and my life would be much less fun and rich without her...and I got a tax break to boot ...not because I am afraid of some mythical cosmic vigilante who will come and kill me because of a written definition of male-female association prescribed by somebody elses religion.You can ascribe likes and dislikes all you want to your mythical being..I could also say that a giant four assed galactic monkey hates people who write sentences with vowels in the words and one should fear it... but claiming to know the preferences of mythical beings is pretty silly

Maybe not "post of the month", but definitely up there for "one-liner of the month."

Hi AC, I am afraid there is, by making sweeping generalisations with something such as 'Homosexuals recruit the young and sin is sin.' you could have changed that to ' SOME homosexuals recruit the young.' But to claim that all homosexuals recruit the young is absurd You cannot make generalisations like this.This is particularly offensive: Try to be a little more eloquent with your posts, thats all I am asking. Nope, I am perfectly happy for you to say what you want, within reason. All I have asked you to do is to try and be a bit more tactful with your comments, choose your words a bit more carefully, the meaning of statement can remain clear without the acidic tinge. Try using some of Jesus' sound teachings as well then. I see no evidence of this so try a little harder please. What specifically do you have an objection to?AdminBrian

Mammuthus:Not silly, if one reads the Bible and believes it to be the inspired
written word of GOD. It would be silly if you suggested that
atheists and agnostics count only if they never attend church.I am glad you and your wife are presently happy; however, it will be of small counsolation when bad times come (and they always do) and
the end draws near (and it will).I'll still have joy because I have hope, I have something to
look forward to----even at deaths door...

Neither is it silly to fear the composition of sentences which contain vowels if one read's Mammathus' posts and believes him to be the sole infallible channel between us and the giant four-assed galactic monkey. We're all shakin' in our boots... I have hope for a hereafter, too. We're not too different in that regard. My hoped-for model, however, doesn't include eternal damnation for roughly half of the entire populous of the planet earth. Why would I hope for that?Blessings,::

I've never witnessed a birth that resulted from a virgin either, yet the Bible claims it to be so & millions of Christians seem to believe it despite its absurdity & the fact that they've never once seen it. Which is why I don't pay a lot of attention to what the Bible claims about homosexual sex or anything else.

What I am saying is that the peer group puts alot of influence on an individual to CONFORM.

I agree. But I don't think it can TURN you gay!I've not told anyone this before, but I experimented with homosexuality at school, something like when I turned 13. A friend of mine (male - I went to an all boys school, though we had SOME lasses in our sixth form) & I used to stroke each others' penes (penises, whatever you want to call them!) every so often underneath a table during class. He even used my hand for his vinegar stroke once. It didn't last too long, but I've never GONE GAY after that!(Of course, I do believe that somehow this sort of peer pressure forces many young lads into suffering mammary fetishes, but I won't go into that here...)------------------

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All the boys think she's a spy

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I'm sorry, his what?Now, I'm no sexual neophyte, by any means. But largely all my terminology is drawn from watching Sex and the City and, as you can imagine, four women don't talk much about the sexual vernacular of male masturbation.

you seemed to have missed my message I will post it againso I am a better person for having UNCONTROLLABLE feelings toward women? Are you? Why should someone be Hurt and punished for something they can't help? once again I say this is an EVIL God if he would punish someone for having Uncontrollable feelings. Why not act on them if someone else feels the same way? are they not allowed to be happy like you and me Because they are Homosexual? If you think they shouldn't you and Your God are twisted

I once knew a Christian couple who had a 3 yr. old boy. They were devastated because this little boy would tell people, "I'm trying to teach myself to talk like a girl because I was meant to be a girl. I like to wear dresses and hair ribbons, and someday I'm going to turn into a girl." This little boy played with dolls, played girl games--was not interested in the things little boys his age were interested in. He was the product of two devout Christian parents who spouted the Bible from morning till night. Guess those two just weren't quite "righteous" enough to produce a little sinner like that & too bad the child wasn't old enough to realize his natural desires were "sin."

Nothing "wrong" with playing with dolls. The rest of your story
sounds silly. The child is three. My son is 7, plays T ball and
still goes to bed with his "Lovie". Though I've noticed it on the
floor more and more.

Try this one on for size. My girlfriend had a friend in high school who was a lesbian. When this girl was 10 years old, her parents (devout Christians) found her playing "wedding" with another girl. They sent the other girl home and beat the holy living crap out of their daughter. This was not an isolated incident; any time this girl showed an interest in other girls she got beaten within an inch of her life.I guess peer pressure was stronger though, because she still wound up a lesbian.