What I have noticed about these debates...

HI crash,Can I just lend my support to this claim: If I could just present the same argument but from my own subject area.Last Thursday and today, I was teaching 12 and 13 year old children about Judaism. It was an introductory lesson and mainly focussed on Abraham, Jacob, Joseph and the whole origins of the origins of Israel, from the Bible accounts.In few weeks time I am going to be assisting with teaching a university course on the Old Testament. We are obviously going to cover the primary history period there as well, but you can bet your last dollar that there wil be a vast difference in the content of the courses.At a young age it has to be kept simple, Piaget calls it concrete as opposed to abstact. These kids do not have the intellectual capacity to study these topics to a high level, it has to be kept basic, it is the teacher who has done all the spade work and he passes his knowledge onto his students, Armed with this background knowledge it gives them a foundation to build on, and I can assure anyone reading this that children are not robots, they can think for themselves and give a variety of comments during lessons, but these comments are based on a limited understanding, after all they are only kids.Creationists seem to think that creation isnt taught in high schools, but it is. It is taught everyday in religious studies departments all over the world, because that is where it belongs. I have done a bit of co-op teaching in science classes and if the students do not get to do some practical work they are extremely disappointed, what experiments could these kids do in a creation science class?In evolution classes I assume that they can examine fossils, or pictures of them, or they can examine DNA results, what could they examine in a creation science class? maybe they could draw a picture of Adam and Eve and colour it in, or maybe they could examine the conflicting accounts in the book of Genesis that exists between different versions of the Bible, I really do not know what scientific experiments kids at high school cold do to make the subject interesting and to make it different from what they learn in Religious Studies classes.Brian.

Hi, Can you give references for these claims, which species POP into existence for example, are there no precambrian fossils? SO the ones that werent formed this way were formed in which way. You say the vast majority of fossils, that means that there are some that weren't formed this way.Also, can you give supporting references for this claim, I am interested in following it up? Which charts and in which science books please, can you tell me their title and authors so I can verify your claims? Again, can you provide evidence that evolution cannot be studied scientifically and that no experiments are possible to demonstrate evolution at work? References please so I can examine them myself, because I really do doubt this.I am no scientist, but the reference to 8000 years is utter garbage, changes in DNA can be detected between a single generation.Every single thing you claim here is an unsupported assertion, you have posted a list of 'facts' that have no references to support them. Should I just take your word for it or are you going to support your claims with some examniable sources ?Oh and please do not say visit answersingenesis, I would like YOUR input please.Brian.PS, almost forgot, what scientific experiments could be done in a creation science class?[This message has been edited by Brian, 08-25-2003]

Hi Percy, Thats because you understand science and I dont LOL, this is why I very, very seldom get involved in a scientific debate. I normally stick to my own field of study. The specialists of any particular field of study have an immense advantage over the layman and I am honest enough to admit to everyone, and more importantly to myself, that I am not scientifically knowledgable enough to get involved in a scientific debate.Having said that, I have observed a few people at the forums here who do get involved in scientific debates and I feel that I know more about science than a lot of those people do. I would seriously like to study a science, but I have chose my academic path and I am now far too involved in that to have the time to study a science. Also, finding the time to do it would be difficult, that's one reason why I like it here so much, there are people here who are extremely well qualified in some sciences and their posts basically take a lot of the hard work out of tracking things down. Ok, my ignorance of science again!Really what I meant by this was that in some science classes that I helped out with the kids were extremely disappointed if they didn't get to do at least some experiments during the term. If their regular teacher was absent and I perhaps had to cover the class, then there would be no practical work as I am not qualified to teach science. All they would do is perhaps watch a video clip, read a few pages from a book and then complete a worksheet or two. Their work would be corrected by their teacher when they returned to work, so my job, in this instance, is really nothing more than babysitting. The kids know that if they have a teacher from another department that they are not going to get any practical work and they are always very disappointed when this happens. This was really all I was getting at. LOL, thats a science class that I would like to be part of!These classes would indeed be fun, however, I wouldn't like to be at the class that deals with the Jewish tradition of Adam mating with a female of many different animals before God gives him Eve as a partner.Brian