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Teapots&unicorns Member (Idle past 4914 days) Posts: 178 Joined: |
Hi everyone
I've been thinking about the nature of heaven, and realized that I do not know exactly how one gets in. Any answer I try to get is usually just a slippery contradiction. So please, how do you get into heaven in your faith.
PS please do not get into an argument over what heaven is. I just want the requirements for getting in. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : "Redded" the last sentence. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. - Stephen Roberts I'm a polyatheist - there are many gods I don't believe in- Dan Foutes "In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has widely been considered as a bad move."- Douglas Adams
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Teapots&unicorns Member (Idle past 4914 days) Posts: 178 Joined: |
Hi Stile, and thanks for your answer. However, your idea of an ideal test is obviously not what others have. To everyone, of any (abrahamic) religon, do you get into heaven through faith alone, acts, baptism, or any combination of the above. Thank you.
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Teapots&unicorns Member (Idle past 4914 days) Posts: 178 Joined: |
Hi Peg,
So you get into heaven through faith, work, and baptism? That's alot. By the way, does "chosen by God" mean predestination?
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Teapots&unicorns Member (Idle past 4914 days) Posts: 178 Joined: |
So it can't be predestination becuase that implies that no matter what their course is, they will get into heaven. Its as the apostles said...if we are faithful and go on enduring they will rule as kings.
Rule over whom, may I ask? Edited by Teapots&unicorns, : No reason given.
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Teapots&unicorns Member (Idle past 4914 days) Posts: 178 Joined: |
In message 4 I gave you all the requirements given by God who was with us. Any other requirement is man made. ICANT, I may just be not getting this, but humor me please. Define "born again."
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Teapots&unicorns Member (Idle past 4914 days) Posts: 178 Joined: |
Thank you Oni. If only all religions had as clear a system as that...
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Teapots&unicorns Member (Idle past 4914 days) Posts: 178 Joined: |
So basically, just having faith in God.
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Teapots&unicorns Member (Idle past 4914 days) Posts: 178 Joined: |
Thank you Peg
Peg writes: Teapots&Unicorns writes:
exactly. Most people who believe they are going to heaven have no idea what the role of those going to heaven will be. Its was explained by John in vision Rule over whom, may I ask? He explained that Christ will not be alone to judge the world of mankind.
quote: So what is the criteria for being a judge beside Jesus? (Judgin' 4 Jesus)
When Jesus was on the stake, the man alongside ask to be remmebered when jesus got into his kingdom. In answer he said Luke 23:43And he said to him: Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise. So obviously this man was not born again. He had never been baptized, nor had he been a worshiper of God. He was a criminal who was sentenced to death. So he wasnt going to heaven to rule with Christ as a judge and priest. Yet Jesus said that he would be with him in 'paradise' So the man had a hope of entering paradise...this paradise will be full of people who Jesus, and those with him, will be ruling over. The hebrew scriptures talk alot about this earthly paradise...its the purpose that God has for mankind, to bring them back into the condition that Adam and Eve enjoyed. So either Jesus played favorites or there is no "hell" and everone goes to the same place once they die, thus removing the need for God to be self evident. So, it is basically like the Muslim heaven that Oni mentioned before. However, if the whole afterlife idea is to return us to the Garden of Eden state... Yeah. Edited by Teapots&unicorns, : No reason given.
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Teapots&unicorns Member (Idle past 4914 days) Posts: 178 Joined: |
tuffers writes: Having read the first 3 pages of replies to your question on how to get into an afterlife heaven, would I be right in assuming, like me, you are absolutely none the wiser? My view is that we are all so incredibly lucky to be born at all, especially into this time of astonishing wealth & health, that to fret about being born again and going to some better place is an absolute insult to our ancestors who lead unimaginably harsh lives to give us what we have. We are already in heaven, or at least can be once we realise what we have. Hi tuffers, and yes, I haven't learned much. However, I would like to thank some people who have, actually given a definitive answer. Like Oni said earlier in the thread, this shouldn't just be about the Christian faith. So bring on your criteria! And tuffers, that is personally what I believe, as I think that the very fact of us being here is a miracle and thus shouldn't be wasted. So I guess that's how you get into athiest heaven- get born. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. - Stephen Roberts I'm a polyatheist - there are many gods I don't believe in- Dan Foutes "In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has widely been considered as a bad move."- Douglas Adams
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Teapots&unicorns Member (Idle past 4914 days) Posts: 178 Joined: |
Alright everyone, let's assume a new situation. We all know that mentally deficient people exist, and their condition is a result of brain damage or malformation. In extreme cases, such a person can have multiple or exaggerated personalities or near or total amnesia- i.e. lack of the ability to retain information. There also people who are brain dead from birth, childhood, or as the result of an accident. As such, it would be impossible for them to learn of the Christian faith, pray/worship, "choose" to keep the commandments, or even help others; being entirely dependent on or not even aware of others. Now, would such a person have a soul and would they be able to get into heaven? Why?
If a person's soul is linked to their actions, personality, and ability to get into heaven, then why is it that if the physical brain is damaged, all of the above are affected (except possibly the last one depending on your point of view)?
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Teapots&unicorns Member (Idle past 4914 days) Posts: 178 Joined: |
Believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins. What if you are incapable of believing- or remembering such?
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