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ICANT
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Message 4 of 91 (522554)
09-03-2009 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Teapots&unicorns
09-03-2009 11:10 AM


Getting into Heaven
Hi Teapot,
Teapots&unicorns writes:
PS please do not get into an argument over what heaven is. I just want the requirements for getting in.
"You must be born again." Jesus
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 18 of 91 (522660)
09-04-2009 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Teapots&unicorns
09-04-2009 9:19 AM


Re: Heaven
Hi Teapot,
Teapot&unicorns writes:
To everyone, of any (abrahamic) religon, do you get into heaven through faith alone, acts, baptism, or any combination of the above. Thank you.
In message 4 I gave you all the requirements given by God who was with us.
Any other requirement is man made.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 23 of 91 (522755)
09-04-2009 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Teapots&unicorns
09-04-2009 1:13 PM


Re: Heaven
Hi Teapot,
Teapots&unicorns writes:
ICANT, I may just be not getting this, but humor me please. Define "born again."
Be glad to.
But you did state in the OP you wanted the requirements which I gave you.
There was a Pharisee named Nicodemus who was ruler of the Jews who wanted to know how he could be born again.
John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
So to explain what it means to be born again is simple.
You must be born from above by the Spirit of God.
Now this is where we get into different opinions by man.
How is one born of the Spirit?
Hbr 11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
To be born of the Spirit:
You must believe that God is.
You must believe God will do what He says He will do.
Jhn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Jesus says those hearing and believing on God hath everlasting life.
So when a person is born of the Spirit he has ceased being condemned and has everlasting life.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 42 of 91 (523030)
09-07-2009 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Teapots&unicorns
09-07-2009 3:38 PM


Re: A New Situation
Hi Teapot,
Teapots&unicorns writes:
Alright everyone, let's assume a new situation. We all know that mentally deficient people exist, and their condition is a result of brain damage or malformation. In extreme cases, such a person can have multiple or exaggerated personalities or near or total amnesia- i.e. lack of the ability to retain information. There also people who are brain dead from birth, childhood, or as the result of an accident. As such, it would be impossible for them to learn of the Christian faith, pray/worship, "choose" to keep the commandments, or even help others; being entirely dependent on or not even aware of others. Now, would such a person have a soul and would they be able to get into heaven? Why?
Everyone has a spirit as mankind was created in the image of God. Body, Mind and Spirit.
Until a person reaches the mental capacity that the man in the garden did when he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and can make a choice of accepting the offer of a free full pardon they will go to heaven.
When a person is capable of making the choice of accepting the offer of a free full pardon offered by God they are condemned and responsible for themselves.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 48 of 91 (523052)
09-08-2009 5:06 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Peg
09-08-2009 3:27 AM


Re: A New Situation
Hi Peg,
From message 43:
Peg writes:
I must remind you that Jesus said that he came to save the 'ailing' and those needing a physician. while these words have a spiritual application, surely they must have a physical application also?
You got some strange Bible there. I can't find where Jesus said he came to save the 'ailing' nor those needing a physician.
I do find where He says:
Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Peg writes:
If God has no means of saving those who are incapable of saving themselves, then the sacrifice of Jesus is meaningless and not achieving the expressed purposed it was intended for.
The purpose of the death on the cross was to restore mankind and the universe back to the original state they were in in Genesis 1:1.
John 3:16 tells us "God so loved the kosmos (universe) that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Peg writes:
There must be a salvation for ALL humans both good and bad for the scriptures indicate as such
Really???
Peg writes:
Notice in 1John 2:2 he says "not only for OUR sins" but also for "whole worlds"
1John 4:14 world = kosmos.
1John 2:2 world = kosmos.
Peg writes:
there is further evidence that even people who never did good works or had faith in God will be saved...Acts 24:15 says There is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
You do love to cherry pick don't you?
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
It seems like there are some people who will be in a resurrection that will rule and reign with Christ whom the second death will have no power over.
It seems like there are some people that will be in a resurrection from the grave and hell that will be judged and cast into the lake of fire suffering the second death, eternal separatin from God.
Peg writes:
Its a shame because the truth is that everyone who has ever died will be coming back to live right here on earth.... a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous....salvation for all mankind.
Everybody is not coming back here to live on earth.
There will be a new heaven and a new earth as they will be restored to their original perfection. The New Jerusalem will come down to the new earth and God will come down to earth and live with mankind.
But as pointed out above there will be a lot of people that will be in the lake of fire.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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