Hi Holyfire23!
Holyfire23 writes:
One of the notions was that human beings are capable of knowing right from wrong.
We sure are capable of knowing right from wrong. In fact God says we are just as capable of knowing right from wrong as He is.
quote:
Gen 3
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
See. so we all know good from evil the same way God does.
Holyfire23 writes:
This does not make sense to me assuming that morality is relative as you guys say it is.
The awesome thing about truth (with a lowercase t) is it doesn't have to make sense to anyone for it to still be true.
Holyfire23 writes:
If there are no moral absolutes, then the concept of right and wrong ceases to exist.
Not really. See the cool thing about us humans is our concepts. Our concepts exist based on several factors, all of which revolve around our interpretation of information.
One person can say Rape is abhorrent, and should not be tolerated under any circumstance, whereas another can view rape as acceptable in some, or all circumstances.
Which one is correct? Well, that's for each of us to decide.
Holyfire23 writes:
One cannot call morality relative and then make absolute claims about what is right and wrong without contradicting himself.
Sure [s]he can. I can say that under no circumstance is rape justified, period. I can say that, and never contradict myself on it.
Now, I did not say that no one else can think it is okay.
- Do not confuse my acknowledgment of differing morality (or the lack thereof) as condoning it.
Holyfire23 writes:
Look at Hitler and his genocides of the Jewish people
Ah yes, Hitler and his genocide in the name of the Christian God. Perhaps you should look up what the German Army belt buckles said.
Holyfire23 writes:
Josef Stalin and his genocide of pretty much anyone he didn't like.
It wasn't really that Stalin "didn't like them". Stalin had to remove any possible power threat in order to maintain "the State" as supreme. Religion obviously a primitive form of government, and as such had to be removed.
Holyfire23 writes:
God is morality
Not really. The Bible does not agree with you on this one. Refer to my first statement.
Holyfire23 writes:
We must have an absolute moral foundation in order to determine what is right and what is wrong.
Why would we? Do you really not obtain enough information from seeing what rape does to it's victim to determine it is an evil, and despicable act?
Holyfire23 writes:
Stalin and Hitler are just two examples of man's inability to define morality.
Actually, Hitler and Stalin are two prime examples that we can define our own morality, although it may not be what I consider a
good one.
Holyfire23 writes:
Man cannot set absolut moral boundaries, so he simply chooses not to.
I just set an absolute moral boundary. Rape is bad, and absolutely unacceptable in any and all circumstances.
The only person here who chooses not to set any moral boundaries is you. You prefer not to use your moral judgment, and instead have in it's place a "Refer tah dah big guy in dah sky" placard.
This creates a huge moral rift within you that you cannot fill without accepting that only you can fill it. Without you actively engaged, anyone can hijack your morality by simply convincing you that it is "God's will" and with that hijacking have you commit atrocities.
This is no different than a mother thinking it is "okay" to drown her 5 small children in their bathtub, because she thinks god is telling her to do it.
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