In the case of the Midianites, the virgins were spared because it was safe to say that they had not participated in any sexual immorality.
How exactly were the Israelites supposed to know who engaged in righteous sex (i.e. married) versus those who hadn't participated in any sexual immorality?
They were "taken" by the Isrealites, because they had nowhere else to go. They either left the girls out in the wilderness to die, or they took them back to their camps where the girls led the same life they would have had they not been attacked.
Oh, please. Show me where in the story that they took them because they cared about the welfare of the virgins.
They just massacred their families, but decided to let them live because they weren't sexually immoral, like, you know, King David, and saved them because they were virgins. Well, why then didn't they spare the young boys who were also virgins?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that's because they wanted to sexually plunder the young virgin girls. Since females had no rights, they couldn't object to not being married to whomever decided they wanted to marry them. Good thing those Israelites were such upstanding men who first got married before they raped their war prize. Wouldn't want to be, you know, sexually immoral.
You accuse the Isrealites of being immoral but you conveniently leave out the context of the times they were living in. Marriages back then were always arranged. Girls were forced to marry whomever their father told them to. This was true of the Isrealites, Midianites, and all the other "ites". It wasn't rape.
Absolutely irrelevant if God's morals never change, which they saurely do, just read the entire bible, not just touchy-feely versus regurgitated in sermons all around the world.
That means that even today if your father wants to marry off your sister to a convincted rapist, it won't
technically be considered rape when she rebuffs his sexual advances.
I realize that culture changes. Where you go wrong is trying to defend the actions of God who's moral's are supposed to be absolute. You are then bound by those principles. Any waivering or deviation from the standard refutes the entire thing.
The act of forcing a woman to have sex has always been considered sinful in the Bible.
Marriage age has changed since then. But there is nowhere in the Bible where God said it was ok to force a woman to have sex with someone.
Tsk, tsk.... So VERY wrong you are.
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"Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes." - Judges 21:20-24
Kidnapping women against their will is okay though. I'm assuming that you'll say they were kidnapped to save the young girls. Such gentlemen those Israelites were. Chivalry is not dead.
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"When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you." - Deuternomy 20:12-14
Gosh, he's such a giving God, ya know?
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"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." - Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Pay attention guys, if you ever want to rape a chick, just be sure to pay her father off so that you can rape her legally whenever you want!
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"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife." - Deuteronomy 22:23-24
Listen up ladies, if ever you're raped, be sure to scream "rape" at the top of your lungs, because if you don't you'll be stoned because you were raped. Hey, if you didn't scream rape then you must have enjoyed it. Sorry, sugar-tush, rules of the game.
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"Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." - 2nd Samuel 12:11-14
God here takes men's wives and has his neighbors rape them in front of their face (don't worry people, for some reason it's not sexually immoral, nor is it actually rape because Holyfire said so) Nathan absolves David of his whoredom, but insists that the bastard, rape baby die. A week later he gets his wish.
Should I keep going, because there's
plenty more where this came from.
Still maintain that God's morality never changes or that God doesn't condone rape?
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.
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