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Dr Adequate
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Message 99 of 247 (520494)
08-21-2009 5:54 PM


Should I Rape Suzy? Part III
Even while I was posting my last post, the posters "Perdition", "Modulous", and "Percy" --- evolutionists one and all, I note --- have chipped in and said that I shouldn't rape Suzy. Including "Straggler", that makes four evolutionists who are prepared to stand up and say that it would be wrong for me to rape Suzy (actually, five if you count me) and not one voice of dissent. 100% evolutionists against rape, 0% of creationists against rape.
It's easy for us evolutionists to condemn rape. It comes naturally. Read our posts. You see how easy it is to say that rape is wrong for someone who doesn't share your moral philosophy?
But can you say it?
Admit it. Say it. Say that it would be wrong for me to rape Suzy. Admit that there is a difference between good and evil, and that we, though imperfect, can distinguish between the two.
Say it. Say that I shouldn't rape Suzy. When you can say that, that will be the first step towards the cure for your moral illness.
No-one can make you take that step. You have to take it by yourself.
Should I rape Suzy?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 102 of 247 (520501)
08-21-2009 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Theodoric
08-21-2009 6:10 PM


Re: Should I Rape Suzy? Part III
Well I am as much an atheist as anyone that comes to this forum. I think people can tell that from my posts. I implore you not to rape Suzy because it is morally, ethically and legally wrong.
Okay. I'll add you to the poll. So, six evolutionists have said that I shouldn't rape Suzy, and not one creationist.
Mike, over to you. Redeem your sinful creationist breed from their amoral position. Say, as clearly and distinctly as we evolutionists have said, that it would be wrong for me to rape Suzy.
Should I rape Suzy?

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Message 105 of 247 (520507)
08-21-2009 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by lyx2no
08-21-2009 6:54 PM


Re: Should I Rape Suzy? Part III
While I appreciate your witty satire, you have not said enough for me to count you as number eight. Though I believe that your post implies it.

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Message 107 of 247 (520540)
08-22-2009 12:56 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by bluescat48
08-22-2009 12:38 AM


Re: Should I Rape Suzy? Part III
So, eight evolutionists out of eight if I include myself, have very clearly said that I shouldn't rape Suzy.
Thanks, guys, but do remember, I decided that it should all depend on what mike thinks.
Mike? Mike? Please state what you think.
Should I rape Suzy?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 110 of 247 (520698)
08-23-2009 7:38 AM


* drums fingers lightly on desk *
It seems clear that mike is never going to admit that rape is wrong.
Will any creationist admit that rape is wrong? I mean, they can't all be evil, can they?
Well, maybe they can. This thread has been a bit of an eye-opener for me.
Rape. Is it wrong. Simple question. Creationists, your opinions please.
Should I rape Suzy?

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Message 128 of 247 (521069)
08-25-2009 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Peg
08-25-2009 6:58 AM


although i dont care for my own opinion, but when ppl start sprouting around that God commanded it and condones it, then i do feel the need to speak up. He doesnt condone it or command period and i feel sorry for anyone who believes this is the case.
When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will. (Deuteronomy 21:10-14)

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Message 135 of 247 (521221)
08-26-2009 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by John 10:10
08-25-2009 5:45 PM


One final thought on the god that most at the EVC Froum have chosen to be.
One non-final thought on the God that a minority of posters on this forum have chosen to be:
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. --- Isaiah 45:7
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Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 144 of 247 (521390)
08-27-2009 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Peg
08-27-2009 8:10 AM


this wasnt about violence and sexual gratification
Well, no. Apart from the fact that the rapist in question killed the woman's parents, forcibly took her prisoner, chose her as a sex slave because she made him horny, and then raped her for the rest of her life or until he got bored with her, it's not about violence and sexual gratification at all. Why, they hardly even come into it.

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Message 145 of 247 (521393)
08-27-2009 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by Peg
08-27-2009 8:46 AM


Re: Rape in the Bible
women in those times were subjected to men, they never had a choice with whom they married so if someone chose to make a woman his wife, she accepted that...
And you know this by reading her mind, or by making stuff up?
it seems to be the culture.
And yet supposedly the laws that defined their culture came from God. All that stuff about not eating shrimps, and how you should rape prisoners of war, and how to sell your daughter as a sex-slave, and how most of God's favorite guys were polygamists, and how you should stone people to death for picking up sticks on Saturday --- if we believe the Bible, it wasn't just "the culture", it was God's own culture that he created for them.
It's no good getting all cultural relativist on us if you also wish us to believe that their culture was the result of following the God-given laws of a perfect deity.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 146 of 247 (521397)
08-27-2009 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by Peg
08-27-2009 8:00 AM


Should I Rape Suzy? Part ... Uh ... I Forget
The fact is that in this case it is the man who is given the life sentence because not only must he marry her and under no circumstances divorce her all his life, he must also make a large payment to her father.
Ah, I see what you're saying. So if I just want a quick ten minutes with Suzy, it would probably be a bad idea for me to rape her. But if I want my rape victim to be shackled to me for the rest of my life, so that I can violate her again and again, then raping her would be a really smart move --- so long as I have enough money to pay off her father.
Well, it so happens that I don't just want to fuck Suzy one time --- I should like to turn her whole life into a permanent living hell where she is forced into marriage with me, her rapist. And I am extremely rich. So, thanks for your advice. I'll rape Suzy.
Oh, wait ... I believe that I see the catch. This would only work if we lived according to God's law. But unfortunately I live under the atheistic secular human-made laws of the state of Nevada, under which they'd lock me up for ten years or so for being a rapist and Suzy wouldn't have to marry me at all, no matter how rich I am.
A curse upon this heathen nation! If I want to marry Suzy, I should be able to stake my claim on her by sticking my cock into her, like God said.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 231 of 247 (523446)
09-10-2009 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Peg
09-04-2009 10:43 AM


Re: God's Morality
becasue Jesus showed that the purpose of the kingdom was to bring about the end of the wars of the nations.
Jesus showed that all who would live under the kingdom arrangement would do so by living in peace and loving their enemies.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." --- Jesus of Nazareth, Matthew 10.
Also, God does not take sides in wars because he views all mankind as one group, not as separate nations. he does not suffer from nationalism the way we do. He is not partial.
Haven't you ever read the Bible?

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Message 232 of 247 (523449)
09-10-2009 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Peg
09-10-2009 3:56 AM


Re: God's Morality
The nation needed to be clean from everything that God considered immoral.
I.e. pork, shellfish, cloth woven out of two kinds of thread, and people who pick up sticks on Saturday.

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