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Message 61 of 152 (523494)
09-10-2009 5:50 PM



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Message 62 of 152 (523500)
09-10-2009 6:31 PM
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Message 63 of 152 (523502)
09-10-2009 6:49 PM
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Peg
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Message 64 of 152 (523538)
09-11-2009 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by PaulK
09-09-2009 12:06 PM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
PaulK writes:
But do Christians consider all fornication to be equally bad ?
In your view, is homosexuality worse than adultery as defined in Mark 10:11-12 ?
i can tell you that the bible is clear that they are each as bad as the other. The Greek word translated fornication is porneia. Its a general term for all unlawful intercourse. It includes adultery, unlawful marriage, prostitution, unchastity.
homosexuality is fornication just as hetrosexuals having sex outside of marriage is fornication & even masturbation is fornication
There is no differentiating between hetrosexual misconduct, and homosexual misconduct in the bible...they are viewed in the same light along with other 'works of the flesh'
Galatians 5:19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, and they are fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, 20idolatry, practice of spiritism, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, contentions, divisions, sects, 21envies, drunken bouts, revelries, and things like these. As to these things I am forewarning YOU, the same way as I did forewarn YOU, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s kingdom.
so homosexuality is no worse then any other form of immoral sexual conduct.

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Message 65 of 152 (523545)
09-11-2009 1:21 AM
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09-11-2009 12:02 AM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
Then you are going to have to explain why many Protestant Churches are willing to support adultery (as in Mark 10:11-12). - but will not show the same tolerance to homosexual behaviour.

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Message 66 of 152 (523548)
09-11-2009 2:00 AM
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09-09-2009 10:40 AM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
Thanks, that was honest of you to mark that out. You could have just jumped on the bandwagon ...
Bandwagons are even hotter than benches.
It's those saucy little wheels.

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Message 67 of 152 (523569)
09-11-2009 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Peg
09-11-2009 12:02 AM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
i can tell you that the bible is clear that they are each as bad as the other.
I agree that this is the way the bible views it, which I think is why he is asking why many fundamentalist Christians treat homosexuality more severely than other forms of sexual sin.

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Peg
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Message 68 of 152 (523578)
09-11-2009 10:06 AM
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09-11-2009 1:21 AM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
PaulK writes:
Then you are going to have to explain why many Protestant Churches are willing to support adultery (as in Mark 10:11-12). - but will not show the same tolerance to homosexual behaviour.
Jesus words about divorce show that Gods standard is that married couples should stay together, thats a certainty
However, its also the ideal and in an ideal world you would expect that husbands and wives, men and women could live side by side in perfect harmony. Unfortunately this isnt an ideal world and problems exist that sometimes make it impossible for a man and woman to remain together.
This is the reason why God gave Isreal a 'concession' to divorce, however christians were taught not to divorce one another unless adultery has been committed or the situation was so bad, they could separate.
Im not sure exactly what you mean by they 'support adultery' If they are following the bible, then they should be viewing adultery as a disfellowshipping offence.
Personally, i think homosexuality is picked on more because its a minority involved and its not considered to be a natural act. Sex between males and females is probably easier to understand and therefore accept. (thats just my opinion btw)

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Message 69 of 152 (523580)
09-11-2009 10:11 AM
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09-11-2009 10:06 AM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
quote:
Im not sure exactly what you mean by they 'support adultery' If they are following the bible, then they should be viewing adultery as a disfellowshipping offence.
I mean exactly what I say. According to Mark 10:11-12 remarriage after divorce is adultery. Yet most Protestant Churches will actually carry out such weddings.

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Message 70 of 152 (523581)
09-11-2009 10:17 AM
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09-11-2009 9:19 AM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
Hyroglyphx writes:
I agree that this is the way the bible views it, which I think is why he is asking why many fundamentalist Christians treat homosexuality more severely than other forms of sexual sin.
i think its easier to point the finger at someone else, especially when they are going beyond what is considered normal and natuaral
Its also a high possibility that they make more allowances for adultery becuase they are committing it. Its very easy to make allowances for ourselves when we sin, but to point the finger at others for doing the same thing or doing what they consider to be worse.
The problem with that is that God says "stop judging that you may not be judged, for with the portion that you are judging, you yourself will be judged"
Or simply put, its hypocrisy.

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Peg
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Message 71 of 152 (523582)
09-11-2009 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by PaulK
09-11-2009 10:11 AM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
PaulK writes:
I mean exactly what I say. According to Mark 10:11-12 remarriage after divorce is adultery. Yet most Protestant Churches will actually carry out such weddings.
Ah ok, i see what you're saying. if they are deliberately not upholding Gods standard, then they are not being true to christianity.
but the NT does make allowance for divorce if adultery has occurred.
Matt 19:9 "I say to YOU that whoever divorces his wife, EXCEPT ON THE GROUND OF FORNICATION, and marries another commits adultery
i dont know the personal circumstances of every christian who divorces, but it is clear what Gods standard is as mentioned by jesus. Christians are prone to the same weaknesses and problems that everyone else faces, some manage to pull through intact, and others fall into sin. But this does not mean that because they've done that, they have no means of forgiveness. If they approach God out of repentence for their mistakes, they will be taken back. This goes for homosexuals too, they are given the same concessions by God.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 72 of 152 (523583)
09-11-2009 10:29 AM
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09-11-2009 10:06 AM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
Personally, i think homosexuality is picked on more because its a minority involved and its not considered to be a natural act. Sex between males and females is probably easier to understand and therefore accept. (thats just my opinion btw)
I'd say that's the likely accurate reason.

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Message 73 of 152 (523585)
09-11-2009 10:31 AM
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09-11-2009 10:17 AM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
The problem with that is that God says "stop judging that you may not be judged, for with the portion that you are judging, you yourself will be judged"
Or simply put, its hypocrisy.
Very true. I despise hypocrisy. The kicker of it is, we've all been guilty of it at some point.

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Message 74 of 152 (523587)
09-11-2009 10:43 AM
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09-11-2009 10:29 AM


Re: No Contradiction, Logic, or Morality Here
quote:
Ah ok, i see what you're saying. if they are deliberately not upholding Gods standard, then they are not being true to christianity.
Actually, no. I am saying that there is a clear double standard. And it's not the individuals I am criticising, but the Churches for allowing it. Especially when the Catholics do forbid such marriages.
quote:
but the NT does make allowance for divorce if adultery has occurred.
Matt 19:9 "I say to YOU that whoever divorces his wife, EXCEPT ON THE GROUND OF FORNICATION, and marries another commits adultery
But Mark doesn't contain this concession. Nor does Luke (16:18).
quote:
...it is clear what Gods standard is as mentioned by jesus.
If it is so clear, why exactly do Mark and Luke both miss out the exception ? If it isn't clear to the Gospel authors, how can it be clear to you ?

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Message 75 of 152 (523588)
09-11-2009 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Yrreg
09-04-2009 3:49 PM


Hi, Yrreg.
Yrreg writes:
Atheist evolutionists: How far will you allow yourselves of sexual perversities?
No farther than you will allow yourself of grammatical perversities.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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