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Author Topic:   Is God Self-Evident
purpledawn
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Message 147 of 155 (523335)
09-09-2009 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Dawn Bertot
09-09-2009 2:30 PM


Re: Absolutism versus relativism
And still you don't answer the question: So what does any of your argument have to do with whether God is self-evident or not?
The point of thread topic.
From the Opening Post: Recently, I started thinking about God's existence in different terms. To me, if (a) God(s) existed, then their existence would be self-evident in everything that they created. Anyone who's ever read a fantasy book with a fully functioning religion (like the Wheel of Time) can understand what I'm talking about. If God existed, then there would be just the one God whom everyone worshipped, while just debating how to pray correctly until told to. Etc., etc., etc. The bottom line is, if God exists, then why doesn't everyone believe in him? (i.e. why is it "faith" rather than "fact")
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This kind of simplistic nonsense is why I will not respond to you further. Give me a break
It's not simplistic nonsense. At least what I present is actually in the Bible.

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purpledawn
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Message 151 of 155 (523508)
09-10-2009 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Dawn Bertot
09-10-2009 11:22 AM


Self-Evident
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If nothing else Gods existence is self-evident, in the morals of man alone or even in his inconsistency to accomplish such.
Self-Evident
evident without proof or reasoning
How do the morals of man show that God is self-evident/obvious (easily discovered, seen, or understood).
Whose inconsistency to accomplish what?

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purpledawn
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From: Indiana
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Message 155 of 155 (523615)
09-11-2009 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Dawn Bertot
09-11-2009 8:33 AM


Re: Self-Evident
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Trust me I am very tempted to get into this very simple conversation, however it is hard to take serious, anyone who believes that God did not actually know where Satans was before the Staff meeting, or know what the status and condition of Sodom was before he gave a visit, by himself or the angels with him
No you aren't aren't really tempted. You just don't have anything concerning God being self evident. If you did, you would have presented it by now and not wasted so many posts on off topic issues. A self-evident god wouldn't need a complicated answer.
Morals come from the mind of man. If man ceases to exist, morals cease to exist. Gods, on the other hand, have come and gone, but morals are still around and change as man changes.
When you present the idea that the God of the Bible is exempt from following his own rules and can do as he pleases, then morals are not an obvious footprint of the God of the Bible.
Show me what is obvious.
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Forgive me I dont mean to sound superior, I certainly AM NOT, but some times people need to study a bit further before actually discussing and debating Gods Word. "For when for the time that you should be teachers, you have need that one need that one teach you again, that which is the first principles of the oracles of God." Hebrews
Considering you haven't actually engaged me in a real debate concerning the Bible, I suggest you temper your judgment of my Bible knowledge and not use that as an excuse to abstain from the debate.
It is common courtesy to provide the scripture you are quoting, not just the book. Hebrews 5:12
The author of Hebrews is telling his audience they have not progressed as they should have.
Hebrews 5:12-14
In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
Don't confuse tradition with righteousness. I don't drink milk.
PS: Difference of opinion, doesn't mean lack of knowledge.
Edited by purpledawn, : PS

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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