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Topic: Are Fundamentalists Inherently Immoral
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 10 of 161 (521213)
08-26-2009 1:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Holyfire23
08-26-2009 1:06 PM
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Re: Unjust Wrath
What makes it ok for you to judge the Midianites but not God? What makes it OK for me, Coragyps, is that I actually exist. This God feller is a fiction, and a deeply psychopathic one at that. "Curses" are spectacularly ineffective at doing anything at all to their recipients, in any case. Why would anyone sane choose genocide as a "revenge" for a few words, anyway?
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Morality is unchanging just like God is. Really! That's very interesting in light of these two bits:
And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again. Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. Can you clarify how that qualifies as "unchanging," Holyfire? That seems a mite puzzling. Oh, and welcome to EvC! I don't know where I misplaced my manners yesterday when you arrived. Sorry.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Tell me this. Is it wrong for these men to be doing this. Is this not evil? In our culture this is repulsive, but in their culture it is a way of entertainment. In their culture? I kind of doubt that - I'll bet that 98+% of Thais find this as repulsive as I do. And the same thing has been going on in Houston recently, anyway. Does that make child rape "a way of entertainment" here in Texas, too?
Five men and women accused of forcing girls as young as 16 into a life of prostitution were arrested in Houston, federal and local authorities said Tuesday. Children 16 and 17 became indentured sex slaves to people who beat them, held them at gunpoint and threatened to harm their families, said Houston U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson. He said one defendant tried to sell a minor to another pimp.
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Again I will say this. I think rape is wrong under any circumstances. So the God of the Bible, in commanding his boys to "take the virgins for themselves," is aiding and abetting - hell, insisting upon something that is "wrong under any circumstances." I'm glad that you've cleared that up. No other Bible-believers have bothered to try. Edited by Coragyps, : No reason given.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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You're not gonna answer my quostion, huh? None of your three options reflect the plan your God is said to have commanded: kill the men, kill the womed, kill the boy children, kill the grandpas and grammaws, and take the virgin girls back to your house. Then screw 'em. That's murder + rape. You have said, on this thread, that rape is always wrong. How do you justify this God guy promoting it?
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Please give me an example of when God has ever killed someone without provocation? Also, when has God ever condoned rape? Numbers chapter 31? "...Now therefore kill every male among the little ones..."? Or any of several dozen other places in Genesis through Judges? Why won't you answer direct questions, Holyfire? Didn't I ask you about this "God who never changes" several days ago? The one who commanded "tooth for a tooth" and then advised against that?
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Re: God Easily Provoked
In every case, the people who are punished are punished because they did not follow God's commands. Including three-week-old boys, presumably because they failed to get themselves circumcized? What about the six-day-old ones, whose weenies weren't ready for that yet? Can you begin to glimpse why not everybody buys into your "holy book?"
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Re: Objective morality versus good and evil
An atheist holds his own reasoning as infallible. Where the hell do you get your ideas about what atheists think? And why would you think all atheists think alike? I certainly don't think I'm infallible, or a infallible reasoner. Reality shows me I'm not daily.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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A quick quiz for Holyfire, who says, "I use the Ten Commandments given to Moses by God in Exodus 20:3-17." Where in the Book of Exodus (NIV) does the following passage appear: "And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenantthe Ten Commandments." a) chapter 20 b) chapter 34 c) both of the above d) somewhere else No foolin', Holyfire, I'd like your answer!
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