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Author Topic:   Why is it that God couldn't have made Creation with evolution?
Apologetics
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Message 108 of 167 (524109)
09-14-2009 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Coyote
09-12-2009 9:20 PM


Re: God using evolution
Coyote writes:
Care to get back to the original topic? Remember, dealing with deities and it/they being responsible for evolution? Have you any empirical evidence that there are any deities? Any empirical evidence for any supposed deities at all? Or are you going to keep ducking the question?
With your starting presuppositions there is no evidence for a deity that you will except. We first need to show you how your worldview if flawed before you would begin to allow the thought of God to exist in the evidence.
Scientific evidence is susceptible to rescue devices (not that these rescue devices are valid). So this will not solve the debate, but something to consider.
The RATE group (Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth) looked into zircon crystals were uranium decays to lead (a half-life of 4.5 billion years). Each uranium atom when decaying releases eight helium atoms. The helium being so small is released from the zircon rapidly. But we are still finding large amounts of helium in the zircons.
You may be asking yourselves then why whould there be different amounts of helium in the zircons the farther down in the rock layer you go. Probably because the hotter the zircon the faster the hydrogen atom can leave since the particles are moving more rapidly.
-This is from a seminar given by Dr. Andrew Snelling (geologist), using some of Dr. Don DeYoung’s (Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div) writings.

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Apologetics
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Message 111 of 167 (524282)
09-15-2009 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Coyote
09-14-2009 1:57 PM


Re: RATE Group--off topic
Coyote writes:
But if you want to present some empirical evidence feel free to do so.
Maybe I’m wrong, but how does my post about scientific evidence for a young earth not follow the topic. God could not use evolution because the earth is young.
Coyote writes:
You reject the scientific method, and yet claim you are pro-science?
Many of the founders of the scientific method were Christian. Why would we reject it. These men were Newton, Galileo, and Kepler. We have a reason to study science. These men knew the world around them would make sense, because of the attributes of God. We know that there is a God who upholds the universe in a rational way (Gen 8:22). How does science work in a random chance world? What we have studied for hundreds of years could change tomorrow in an evolutionary worldview.
Coyote writes:
You just pick and choose the results you like, and reject the results you disagree with because of religious belief, and claim to be pro-science?
You confuse observable science with origin science. We refuse your form of origin science (not repeatable) were the belief in evolution (molecules to man) comes from and adhere to observable science (were we get technology).
Did you know the Bible teaches a spherical earth (Isaiah 40:22) written around 760-698 BC. But Pythagoras did not asserted a round earth until 570-500 BC or Aristotle’s work in 389-322 BC.
The Bible teaches the earth floats in space (Job 26:7) written around 2000-1800 BC. Greeks taught a flat earth that floats on water in 900-800 BC.
The expanding universe (Isaiah 40:22). Not till the 1920’s did Writz and Hubble demonstrate the expanding universe.
Life is in the blood (Leviticus 17:11) written 1400 BC. In 1616 AD blood is found to be the key factor in life.
Now the Bible was going against what the secularist were saying in those days, but we now know the Bible to be right.

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Apologetics
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Message 114 of 167 (524286)
09-15-2009 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Perdition
09-15-2009 4:45 PM


Perdition writes:
It wouldn't. Nor would it work in a universe where a supernatural entity could come in and change things around by fiat, or make things appear counter to how they actually happened.
I asking if you could please explain the existence of laws of nature and uniformity in your worldview?
Also so I can better understand your statement, please explain God making things appear counter to how they actually happened.

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Apologetics
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Message 116 of 167 (524290)
09-15-2009 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Huntard
09-15-2009 4:47 PM


Re: RATE Group--off topic
Huntard writes:
So, your god is not omnnipotent? And more then that, you know exactly what he can and cannot do?
I was speaking in terms that the poster could understand according to his worldview not mine.
All Christians don't. Some Christians (creationists) do.
Nonsense. You are as anti-science as can be.
Please give an example.
I won't even go into your "bible told this and that" stuff, as for one, it's offtopic and two, it's complete rubbish.
Is it rubbish because you don't agree that the earth is round, hangs in space, the universe is expanding, and that the life is in the blood? Or because you are looking at the evidence in a bias manner? Or do you have another reason?

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