ICANT'S position in the creation debate

But I think then, that I got it right. I did say that as far as SR only is concerned both clocks will appear to be running slow to each other. Yes? The GR part modifies that as you describe.

Yep. The interesting thing is we can treat the gravitational part as acceleration*, and this helps us unify the two separate effects as just one combined space-time effect.* standing still on the surface of the Earth, is equivalent to being accelerated at 1g upwards, but not actually going anywhere. This is because our world line on Earth - our natural motion through space-time - should be a path that looks like a 1g acceleration downwards. We see this briefly when we jump off things

Yes. Yes, I was wrong about what this sub-discussion is about. It includes your claim that someone would win a Pulitzer prize for figuring out what spacetime is. Obviously you got the wrong prize name, and you're frantically trying to avoid admitting it. Just as you are avoiding admitting your errors about Kant, about Godel, and that loonburger's page to which you linked.You still have not faced the fact that all the support you have for the claim, that nobody knows what spacetime is, is an anonymous Internet posting by someone who appears to have made a serious mistake. See Message 477. Why should we accept his claim, when other professionals (including at least one participating in this thread) claim otherwise?You still have not answered the "why are they right" part of my "Who says, and why are they right?" question. The scientists at the strings conference were posed a totally different question, so their responses are irrelevant.

Distortions of spacetime.

I don't know what you mean, sorry. If we were travelling that fast, and were travelling zero relative to one another, and you put your headlights on, we would measure the light travelling away from us at 100% of the speed of light. If we were travelling towards each other at 99.9% of the speed of light and I lit my headlamps you'd measure it as approaching you at 100% of the speed of light and I would measure it travelling away from me at the same speed.It is this effect that I am asking you about. We have measured it at speeds of 30kms and the speed of light doesn't increase as we move towards the source or decrease as we move away from it.

First off, I would like to say hello to all. I've learned a great deal reading this forum and this board in particular. It especially blew my mind when it occurred to me how the universe has always existed even though it is only 13 and some odd billion years old. And the idea that there is no before because there was no time sent shivers up my spine. I can see why it can be a difficult concept for some to wrap their mind around.I would like a clarification from ICANT. I think I'm beginning to see what your argument for life is and why specifically you believe you can't create something from nothing and why it is easier for you to believe something is eternal.If I understand correctly, your contention is that God created life because life cannot come from non-life. You mention that God breathed life into Adam, making Adam alive. Since life cannot come from non-life, as you argue, God must be alive in order to have given life to Adam. Now if God is alive and not eternal, then God must have been created because you believe that something that is not eternal must have a beginning and a creation point, right? And because life cannot arise from non-life, if God is alive and not eternal then something else must have created God, perhaps an even greater GOD. Since you can't believe that a greater GOD created God, but allowing life to come from non-life means, in your mind, allowing evolution a backdoor to legitimacy (even though evolution says nothing about how life came to be), you must believe that God is eternal. Have I got that right?

I think you are on safe ground assuming that ICANT thinks his God is eternal.

Hi greyseal, Are you saying then that time dilation is a fancy way of saying the effects of gravity and velocity cause the clocks at height to run slower than those closer to the source of gravity?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Mod, You lost me there.Lets assume my bike can travel at the speed of light.It is totaly dark.I take off at the speed of light.You wait one second and turn on a super light in the identical path
I left in. I never change course so the light is always traveling in the identical direction I am.Will that light catch up to me or will I remain in darkness forever?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi JonF, So what causes those distortions?God Bless,

Hi Izanaqi,Welcome to EvC. Life can only be produced by life. This is proved 264 times a minute by humans alone with each birth of a child.Science for the past 150 years have been trying to produce life under the best of conditions with the best of everything available.
Not one life form has been produced.But I am told I must believe it happened because we are here life exists.The Bible says God breathed life into a form and that form became a living being.So I do have a choice.I can believe that life produced life. Or I can believe life came from an absence of life.Since it is a scientific fact life produces life and that non life can not produce life the choice is a no brainer for me.Science proves the existence of a life form that gave life to all that there is.That life form would have to be eternal existence itself.Or we would have an infinite number of life forms that produced life.But it makes no difference where there was one or an infinite number science has proved there was at least one.I choose to call that life form GodHe did give some men information concerning Himself and told them to write it in a book.We have such a book called the Bible. Evolution has to have life existing to be able to evolve.If the God of Genesis created life as He says then evolution can not be true. Mankind was created as full grown adults Gen 2:7.Trees were made to grow out of the ground. Gen 2:9Man was told he could eat fruit from all the trees but one. Gen 2:16, 17.Full grown creatures were formed from the ground. Gen 2:19.The first man named all these creatures. Gen 2:29Creation by God and evolution are not compatable. You can't mix them. God is eternal existence. He told Moses tell them "I AM" sent me.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

We are travelling side by side at the same speed. 99.9% of the speed of light.You turn on your headlights.We measure the distance the photons travel and the time it takes for them to travel that distance.We calculate the speed that the photons are moving away from us.That speed is the speed of light.Agreed? The light won't catch up to you.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

Hi Mod, I didn't think it would. Not in agreement yet.Lets speed up that other 0.1% so we are traveling at the speed of light. I then turn on my headlight as I am traveling at the speed of light I am keeping up with the photons so they can't even get out of the headlight.So what are we going to measure?If it can't catch me from behind it can't run off and leave me if I create it.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Interesting question. AFAIK we don't know the answer yet.But whether or not we know the answer, spacetime is an aspect of the universe that exists and can be measured objectively. Time exists independent of Man's definitions, and runs at different rates depending on the state of the observer and the observed.Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

You don't get to travel at the speed of light. You can't speed up that 0.1%. You can speed up almost to it, but you cannot ever reach it no matter what kind of spaceship you envision.