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Author Topic:   Why is it that God couldn't have made Creation with evolution?
Perdition
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Message 112 of 167 (524284)
09-15-2009 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Apologetics
09-15-2009 4:22 PM


Re: RATE Group--off topic
How does science work in a random chance world?
It wouldn't. Nor would it work in a universe where a supernatural entity could come in and change things around by fiat, or make things appear counter to how they actually happened.
There is no reason to posit a "random chance world" when we have physical laws that constrain the possibilities.
What we have studied for hundreds of years could change tomorrow in an evolutionary worldview.
Tentativity is the hallmark of science. If something we have been studying for 100s of years has been shown to be wrong, then doesn't it make sense for us to change our mind?
If you mean, gravity could stop working or something preposterous like that, then you're wrong. For one thing, evolution has nothing to say about any of that. For another, if things could turn on and off like that, then our science would be completely wrong, far from being a necessary outcome. You seem to have little to no idea what science is and how methodical naturalism works.

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Perdition
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Message 121 of 167 (524416)
09-16-2009 11:40 AM
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09-15-2009 5:13 PM


I asking if you could please explain the existence of laws of nature and uniformity in your worldview?
I'm not quite sure what you're asking here. Are you asking for proof that these laws exist? Are you asking how these laws would come to exist in the first place? I'm guessing you mean the second, in which case, they're simply properties of the universe. Another universe may have occurred with vastly different laws and mechanics, but we happen to live in a universe that has these laws. I'm not sure why you need a "why", it's a "just is" type thing.
Also so I can better understand your statement, please explain God making things appear counter to how they actually happened.
All the evidence we have points to evolution. All the evidence we have points to an old earth and a vastly older universe. All the evidence we have points to no supernatural meddling in the universe. All the evidence we have points to an indifferent universe that operates according to physical laws and doesn't care one whit if you live, die, succeed, or suffer. If you disbelieve any of these things and argue that there is a God who affects things in the universe, that the earth is young, that life was created as is...then God made up evidence for us to find so as to deceive us.

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Perdition
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Message 123 of 167 (524547)
09-17-2009 12:33 PM
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09-16-2009 9:42 PM


Both philosophical positions are consistent with modern science.
I agree. Apologetics, however, seemed to be saying that natural laws couldn't happen without God, meaning the natural laws were themselves inconsistent with science.

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Perdition
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Message 125 of 167 (524787)
09-18-2009 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by kbertsche
09-18-2009 12:00 AM


Well, we both took it two different ways, I guess Apologetics is the one who must clear this up.

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