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Author Topic:   Human Evolution (re: If evolved from apes, why still apes?)
Coyote
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Message 42 of 128 (452985)
01-31-2008 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Crooked to what standard
01-31-2008 11:02 PM


Re: Congratulations to Kakip!!
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I've noticed that whenver a creationist says something, the evolutionist come back and not only offers a counter-example, but slams the creationist with insulst such as "Christian Cult of Ignorance" (Christianity isn't a cult) or "utterly and willful[ly] ignorant".
Perhaps that is because of the nature of the argument. The "Why are there still apes" question is so vacuous that even Answers in Genesis advises not to use it.
In spite of this, it has been used so many times by folks who are looking for a sure Darwinism-killer, but who actually know very little about science, that the replies are often testy.

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Coyote
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Message 47 of 128 (453210)
02-01-2008 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Crooked to what standard
02-01-2008 4:51 PM


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My point is thus: Every major civilization at the beginning of time (dated around 6,000 A.D. has believed not only in a God (or gods), but in a creation. There was absolutely no way that these civilizations, separated by at most seventeen thousand miles, the world's biggest (and possibly roughest) ocean, and the world's highest mountains. Therefore, the only explanation would be that all of these stories came from a real event. If you disagree, please do so and explain your theory on how these civilizations could have communicated the creation theory over this time.
These commonalities work as well with evolution as with creationism. The idea of deities and creation could easily have started among some folks a million or two million years ago and have been passed down to succeeding generations. There is no scientific evidence that it reflects a real event, nor is that necessary for the idea to have been passed from generation to generation. We pass many myths from generation to generation.
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Just as a side-note, evolutionism only came into being in the 1800's. According to creationists, that'd be only 200 out of 6000-8000 years, or 3%-2.5% of humanity. To evolutionists, it'd be 0.00013% of humanity. Either way, creationism has been accepted far longer and even now by far more people than evolutionism. By sheer numbers, let along the truth, creationism wins.
This "numbers" game is fine. Lets play it with scientific evidence. When we do that creationism and other ideas, such as a global flood, come up with no scientific support while the theory of evolution comes up with mountains of supporting evidence.

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Coyote
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Message 92 of 128 (523402)
09-09-2009 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by djwray
09-09-2009 10:24 PM


Cousins
I thought (and still think) it was asking why apes still exist based on an assumption that apes evolved into humans. I was questioning the validity of that assumption. "I believe" that they are too genetically diverse. For those who are having trouble understanding, an analogy would be that "I believe" that a giraffe can't evolve into an elephant.
The "assumption" that ancient apes still exist is flawed.
Humans and apes are cousins. In modern terms, cousins are descended from your father's or your mother's generation: their brothers and sisters produced your cousins.
Applying this to evolution, both humans and modern apes evolved from a common ancestor that was not exactly like either. Most likely apes have changed less than humans have, but in either case there are some 4 or 5 million years of changes.
Ancient apes have evolved into modern apes. Ancient apes have evolved into humans. There is no reason to assume that either has remained exactly the same.
As I have found in some other forums there is, unfortunately, a stigma attached to those who are assigned the misleading classification of "Junior member". It can bring out an unfortunate, primitive behavior pattern in others known as territorialism.
On the internet you are known for the quality of your posts. We know nothing else about you, so we judge you on what you post.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 99 of 128 (524986)
09-20-2009 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by valentin.d
09-20-2009 7:14 PM


Re: Why still apes
Humans did not coexist with dinosaurs.
The dating is off by about 65 million years.
But have a nice day.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 103 of 128 (524995)
09-20-2009 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by valentin.d
09-20-2009 10:10 PM


Nonsense -- and off topic besides
But you as the religious figure who trusts a scientific error.
I am not a religious figure. And you have not demonstrated that the science in question is in error.
However I trust the facts.
People lived together with dinosaurs!
Wrong.
I too trust the facts, and the facts show that people did not live together with dinosaurs. You are wrong by about 65 million years.
That is absolute nonsense.
And I say this as a Ph.D. in archaeology/physical anthropology with decades of experience.
Once again look at a fossil of people together with dinosaurs!
Here the text: The fossil of people is found together with dinosaurs | Page 1 | Naked Science Forum
Here photos:
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Or: Error 404 (Not Found)!!1
Your pictures mean nothing. There is no context, just some pretty rocks and artifacts.
If you want to demonstrate that people lived together with dinosaurs, the easiest thing to do is find bones of both preserved in the same context. Pictures of rocks and other oddities are not going to demonstrate anything.
Unless you have more than that, your whole claim is a huge waste of time.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 124 of 128 (600515)
01-14-2011 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by andy435
01-14-2011 9:43 PM


Well. I dont know if we evolved from monkeys. But Darwin did think so!! Just came across this funny article.
We evolved from Miocene ape-toothed monkeys. From those critters both the ape and monkey lines evolved.
Darwin had no clue about the details of these early fossils. When Darwin published in 1859, only one major specimen, a Neanderthal, had been recognized for what it was. And it was not well understood.

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