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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
mike the wize responds to me:
quote: Huh? Did life only get started today? Are you seriously claiming that the biochemical landscape of today has been precisely consistent for all time? Question: Are you saying there has always been life somewhere in the universe or do you think that there was a time when there was no life followed by a time when there was life? If the former, then you are advocating panspermia. Are you? If the latter, then you necessarily proclaim that life comes from non-life. You just don't know how. Which is it, mike? Panspermia or biogenesis? [Note, that is not a typo.] quote: Huh? The fossil record doesn't exist? We do not see a huge variation in life across the history of this planet? Do we not also a huge chemical shift over the geological history of the planet? So why should we expect the biochemical landscape of the world has been consistent for the entire time? Question: Are you saying there has always been life somewhere in the universe or do you think that there was a time when there was no life followed by a time when there was life? If the former, then you are advocating panspermia. Are you? If the latter, then you necessarily proclaim that life comes from non-life. You just don't know how. Which is it, mike? Panspermia or biogenesis? [Note, that is not a typo.] quote: If you think life has always existed, then you have your answer. If you think there was a time when life didn't exist followed by a time when life did, then you must conclude that there was some sort of biogenesis. We just don't know how. Which is it, mike? Panspermia or biogenesis? [Note, that is not a typo.] Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT responds to me:
quote: And my response was that your question is non-sensical. At the very least, it is extremely naive for it assumes that things as they are now are how things have always been. But we know that isn't true. We know that large scale chemical changes have happened on this planet. And we know that this planet has not always existed. The former can be handled by evolution. After all, that's the entire point: As the environment changes, so does life. In fact, there is quite a large amount of evidence that the evolution of life on this planet dramatically changed the chemical makeup of the biosphere. There didn't used to be an oxygen atmosphere...but then the life on this planet started outpouring oxygen and the composition of the atmosphere changed. And with that change, life evolved to take advantage of it. As for the latter, we're back to the question of panspermia. Are you advocating panspermia? Life on this planet came from elsewhere?
quote: God is alive? Then that means god can die. Which means god cannot be infinite. Since we've just contradicted ourselves, that means god is not alive.
quote: Since god is part of the universe, if life came from god, then there is no contradiction and you are, indeed, advocating panspermia.
quote: Logical error: Equivocation. Biogenesis=The origin of life from "bio-" meaning "life" and "genesis" meaning "origin." You seem to be advocating that there has never been a time where there wasn't life. Thus, you are not adovcating the creation of life since it has always existed. Instead, you are advocating panspermia: Life came from elsewhere.
quote: But as established previously, god isn't alive. But even if we do allow the disproven concept of god being alive, your argument fails unless you are saying that life was biologically spawned from god's body. Life as we currently see it propagates by reproduction: The cell splits in two. Are you saying life was made by some sort of parthenogenetic spawning of god? That god ejaculated, had it caught on a piece of wool, sewed it into his thigh, and then had Adam spring out of it?
quote: Logical error: Equivocation. Your use of "biogenesis" is not the same as mine. Logical error: Red herring. Spontenous generation has nothing to do with the abiogenesis.
quote: Assumes facts not in evidence. In fact, assumes facts that are directly contradicted by evidence. There was a time when there wasn't life followed by a time when life did exist. Therefore, there had to be some process by which life was created from non-life. We just don't know how.
quote: Trivially proven true, but irrelevant to your conclusion. By your own definition, god is not alive. Therefore, life came from non-life. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT writes:
quote: But that isn't what we observe. Instead, we see it pulling away from us at 100% of the speed of light. It's the old joke: If I'm in a car travelling that fast and I turn on the headlights, do they work? And the answer is that yes, they do, precisely as you would expect them to were you not traveling that fast. The speed of light is a constant and is always measured to be the same velocity no matter your frame of reference. It's part of the reason why Newtonian physics fails. According to Newtonian physics, if I am on a train traveling at velocity X and I throw something off in the direction of motion at velocity Y, then the velocity of the object with respect to a stationary observer is X + Y while the velocity of the object with respect to me is Y. But that isn't what we see. Instead, we see the Lorentz transformation. As X and Y approach c, we both see the object moving precisely at c with respect to ourselves. I recommend the entire The Mechanical Universe series as a good introduction to physics. Edited by Rrhain, : No autostart on the video. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT responds to me:
quote: Oh? How do you know? Tell us, when an asexually-reproducing single cell divides, what happened to the original cell? Is it still alive? Did it "die"? Are gametes "alive"? It would appear that we can trace life back all the way to the first life which necessarily arose from something that wasn't alive. Unless, of course, you are saying that there has never been a time in the entire existence of the universe where there hasn't been life. In which case, you are advocating panspermia.
quote: And what is life except the physical part? Are you saying that there is something going on inside the cell other than chemistry? Was there ever a time in the entire existence of the universe where there wasn't physical life?
quote: BZZZZT! Pascal's Wager. I'm so sorry, ICANT. Johnny, tell him what parting gifts he has! Well, Bob, ICANT has won himself a lifetime of anguish in someone else's hell! Yes, that's right. After spending all of his life fighting against Satan and worshipping the Christian god, ICANT gets a reward of going straight to Hades for his hubris. He'll be sentenced to solve a series of puzzles for which the instructions can be read in many ways. Every attempt to glean more information will be met with "Since it would just be a waste of my time to tell you, I won't." Of course, every proposed solution will conflict with something in the contradictory instructions. This being for his continued insistence that those around him are unworthy of explanations. But, he won't get hungry because he'll have an afterlife-time supply of Rice-a-Roni, the San Francisco Treat. You didn't really think that the god that truly exists is the Christian one, did you? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT writes:
quote: The first step would be to stop trying to drive when you don't even know what a car is. An object in uniform circular motion isn't undergoing acceleration? Did you really say that? That physicists the entire world over, depsite having successfully invented the wheel and used it to develop untold numbers of rotary tools, have completely misunderstood circular motion? You mean bicycle riders actuall fall down when they lean into a turn since there is no acceleration in uniform circular motion? Acceleration is change in velocity. Velocity, however, is a vector. Therefore, change in velocity does not require a change in speed. Instead, it can be the result of a change in direction. When a constant force is applied perpendicularly to the direction of motion, an acceleration is experienced perpendicularly and the object moves in a circular path. Again, ICANT, I highly recommend that you sit down and watch The Mechanical Universe in order to get a basic understanding of simple physics. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT responds to me:
quote: Exactly what do you think "acceleration" is? Defining position, velocity, and acceleration from first principles: Vectors: Newton's laws: A very serious question, ICANT. I really want to know the answer to this: Do you know calculus? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
ICANT writes:
quote: Yes. The Michelson-Morley experiment: Velocity and Time: Again, a very serious question I really want to know the answer to: Do you know calculus? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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