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Modulous
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Message 106 of 297 (525940)
09-25-2009 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Cedre
09-25-2009 9:14 AM


Re: An honest look at the evidence
If they are not someone will speak up.
Why? How would they know, how could they prove it? Do they have the live uncut tape? If they do, or anyone else does, why is it not out there?
listen here it is highly unlikely I mean highly that out of all the thousands of people that attend the SCOAN meetings not even one critic is present
Why?
but the fact is critics do attend the services and in large amounts, just some time back a critic from Europe attended the services and came back with the conclusion that the works of this man are genuine there are many other documented cases of critics who attend the SCOAN even murder attempts.
What amounts? As for the European fellow, do we have evidence he was a critic beforehand? Further: many (if not all) people consider themselves sceptical of these things (nobody wants to be seen as gullible!), yet many people believe these things. Therefore it is not unusual for someone to report that they were sceptical to begin with,but now they believe.
There was a test done where an audience was asked to watch a magician perform startling 'psychic feats'. One group, the magician claimed to be a real psychic and in another he stressed that he was just using simple tricks, misdirection, sleight of hand etc to achieve the effect and that he was definitely not a real psychic.
The result? If I recall correctly it went as followed: Of those that were told he was a real psychic, a significant number of the audience believed he really was. I'm willing to bet some of them claim to have been originally sceptical of the claim.
Of those that were told it was illusion and showmanship, some of them still thought that he had psychic powers!
Now what I would like to say is this, critics and haters and skeptics and everyone want to verify if this guy is a fraud or the real deal, its only likely that in the case of a prophecy they would jot down his exact words that in case the prophecy fails they can use that against his ministry.
If this is true, then maybe one of these plentiful critics or haters recorded the prophecy in full as it was broadcast live and, having been converted to a believer by the sheer weight of the evidence, released that footage to the public and is now somewhere on the internet?
All I'm asking for is the uncut prophecy. Maybe he really did make a stunning prophecy, but how can I know if the only evidence I have is a cut piece of video?
Truly it is highly unlikely that people don't jot down his prophecies as he tells them. Just use your mind here.
It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't. But if they are broadcast live, I'd at least expect some of these sceptics to record it. Much easier on the hands, and less prone to error.
As to the clip ,I can't view it, my server won't allow it. But I encourage to get the original tapes from the SCOAN web store with better quality and if you still see the cuts there, you have reason then to be suspicious.
As I said, I'm not going to give a potential con man some money and ask him to give me some tapes that, if he is a con man will likely have the same kind of cuts on it. All I would have done is fund the conman and gained no more evidence than I started with. If you want to prove he is a miracle man, you give him your money and then ask them for permission to put the whole uncut prophecy on youtube for the world to see the power of the Lord.

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Cedre
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From: Russia
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Message 107 of 297 (525941)
09-25-2009 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by PaulK
09-25-2009 9:16 AM


Re: An honest look at the evidence
I'm tired of responding to the same old rehashed and tired out arguments that you keep on presenting as some kind of support for your claims. Non of them impress me, and After this response I'm not going to respond to them again.
[qs]You fail to address my rebuttal. TB Joshua was the one who said to pray on a specific day - not me. He felt that it was somehow important to pray on that day rather than another. THAT is my point ![qs] I did not fail I addressed each and every point you made, on the other hand you have so nicely avoided many of the points I raised in my posts, a dumb thing on your part as it indicates that you cannot answer them.
About the day, I already said I'm not going to speculate about it, I gave a very good reason as to why dates don't matter for Christians as gar as praying is concerned. We serve a God who can effectively answer a prayer on any day. You may claim that I'm not answering your post but claiming it doesn't prove anything until you show me how I haven't answered your posts.
You have no evidence. i took your little argument it reaped it to shreds. If you missed where I have done this please read all my previous replies to you.
I have read them, and no, you have not shredded my argument.
You obviously will not admit it here, but aside you know that your so-called arguments are really not arguments just guesswork, all of it, adding words, presuming to claim what the prophet meant etc. You got nothing, and I know by now that you will refute this but anyone who has read our chat thus far will agree with me here.
Even worse for you the evidence of editing in the video produced by Modulous suggests that the transcription omits words too, without giving any indication that this has been done.
That is a streamed clip, I won't take it seriously until I get to see the original. And Like I said Many people want to see the downfall of this man, and would have spoken up by now if anything was editted out. I don't believe this I know it, thousands of people in attendance and other thousands watching, it would be impossible that they would not point out something like this. If people have such incriminating evidence as this against the prophet then why on earth do they continue to pledge their money into his ministry.
You were the one who said that "Friday of the Month" indicated a specific day. And that there will be a family killed in a jet crash on some Friday at some time is, sadly, an inevitability.
I only said that to counter your inclusion of the word last in the phrase. it never made up my original argument, read my first few posts and you will see this.
That would be more plausible, although it goes against your idea that he meant a specific day]
It doesn't go against my idea because I never stated he knew the exact date, you stated this when you said "Last Friday of the month". And your addition is also based on speculations, not any evidence.
As I have already shown there are several reasons to think that he did mean 24th April. And "a Friday" is very unimpressive..
I tackled each one of those reasons and they are not good reasons they are based on speculation, adding words, presuming things you cannot possibly know. I'm not going to deal with this prophecy again, You couldn't falsify it, and it stands as a fulfilled prophecy. In getting the day right the type of plane right and the kind of family right but most importantly the short period of time that elapsed between the prophecy and its fulfillment. You are in DENIAL of the clear evidence that establishes the supernatural realm.
Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

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Cedre
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From: Russia
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Message 108 of 297 (525949)
09-25-2009 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Modulous
09-25-2009 9:46 AM


Re: An honest look at the evidence
[qs]Why? How would they know, how could they prove it? Do they have the live uncut tape? If they do, or anyone else does, why is it not out there?[qs] They would now for the reasons I mentioned, please I have dealt with this charge already in a winning manner. Thousands of people were in attendance on the day of this prophecy and many watched via cable. I'm sure very sure that since it was a prophecy they either jotted it down somewhere, and they would not easily put it out of their minds but be watchful and alert for any fulfillment of the prophecy, in fact they were asked to pray on this particular prophecy and because of that also they wouldn't easily forget what it entailed.
What amounts? As for the European fellow, do we have evidence he was a critic beforehand? Further: many (if not all) people consider themselves sceptical of these things (nobody wants to be seen as gullible!), yet many people believe these things. Therefore it is not unusual for someone to report that they were sceptical to begin with,but now they believe.
There was a test done where an audience was asked to watch a magician perform startling 'psychic feats'. One group, the magician claimed to be a real psychic and in another he stressed that he was just using simple tricks, misdirection, sleight of hand etc to achieve the effect and that he was definitely not a real psychic.
The result? If I recall correctly it went as followed: Of those that were told he was a real psychic, a significant number of the audience believed he really was. I'm willing to bet some of them claim to have been originally sceptical of the claim.
Of those that were told it was illusion and showmanship, some of them still thought that he had psychic powers!
This doesn't prove anything it doesn't prove that the same thing is going on at the SCOAN until you have evidence that this is going on your claim is but only a claim. We are talking about thousands of people here its highly unlikely that all will be deceived if any deceiving is going on.
All I'm asking for is the uncut prophecy. Maybe he really did make a stunning prophecy, but how can I know if the only evidence I have is a cut piece of video?
the I suggest you do some asking around and please like I said order the dvd's from the web store.
It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't. But if they are broadcast live, I'd at least expect some of these sceptics to record it. Much easier on the hands, and less prone to error.
Each of these Sunday services are broadcast live to this day.
As I said, I'm not going to give a potential con man some money and ask him to give me some tapes that,
In that case why do you complain. If you don't wanna make an effort to confirm this prophecy stop complaining.
Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 109 of 297 (525952)
09-25-2009 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Cedre
09-25-2009 9:46 AM


Re: An honest look at the evidence
quote:
I'm tired of responding to the same old rehashed and tired out arguments that you keep on presenting as some kind of support for your claims. Non of them impress me, and After this response I'm not going to respond to them again
That's because you can't answer my points adequately.
quote:
I did not fail I addressed each and every point you made, on the other hand you have so nicely avoided many of the points I raised in my posts, a dumb thing on your part as it indicates that you cannot answer them.
I offered to address any important point that I had missed, if you brought it to my attention. You didn't take me up on the offer.
quote:
About the day, I already said I'm not going to speculate about it, I gave a very good reason as to why dates don't matter for Christians as gar as praying is concerned. We serve a God who can effectively answer a prayer on any day. You may claim that I'm not answering your post but claiming it doesn't prove anything until you show me how I haven't answered your posts.
You keep ignoring the fact that it was TB Joshua who asked for prayer on that specific day. The date mattered enough to him to specify it.
quote:
You obviously will not admit it here, but aside you know that your so-called arguments are really not arguments just guesswork, all of it, adding words, presuming to claim what the prophet meant etc. You got nothing, and I know by now that you will refute this but anyone who has read our chat thus far will agree with me here.
I won't admit it because it isn't true.
quote:
That is a streamed clip, I won't take it seriously until I get to see the original. And Like I said Many people want to see the downfall of this man, and would have spoken up by now if anything was editted out. I don't believe this I know it, thousands of people in attendance and other thousands watching, it would be impossible that they would not point out something like this. If people have such incriminating evidence as this against the prophet then why on earth do they continue to pledge their money into his ministry.
Given that we have zero evidence of this supposed skeptical oversight I have my doubts.
quote:
I only said that to counter your inclusion of the word last in the phrase. it never made up my original argument, read my first few posts and you will see this.
If we read your first few posts you will see that this is NOT true.
You said it in message 9 Message 9 answering Caffeine.
Tb Joshua also said Friday of the month and asked his congregation to pray on the Friday of the month, it must have been a known Friday in that case.
I suggested that he might have meant the last Friday of the month in message 31 Message 31.
quote:
I tackled each one of those reasons and they are not good reasons they are based on speculation, adding words, presuming things you cannot possibly know.
No, none of the reasons are based on any of those things.
quote:
I'm not going to deal with this prophecy again, You could falsify it, and it stands as a fulfilled prophecy. In getting the day right the type of plane right and the kind of family right but most importantly the short period of time that elapsed between the prophecy and its fulfillment. You are in DENIAL of the clear evidence that establishes the supernatural realm.
The day of the week and the "type" of plane were clearly not very specific. Wait long enough and it WILL happen. Given also that there is evidence that he predicted the wrong date, and grounds for suspicion that the video has been edited to conceal this fact it the prediction is rather less impressive than you claim.

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Michamus
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Message 110 of 297 (525957)
09-25-2009 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Cedre
09-24-2009 8:59 AM


Still... Just another scam
I have decided that since I have yet to receive a response from any of Joshua's constituents, that I should contact a more legitimate source.
I have e-mailed the Nigerian Federal Ministry of Health with a query. It reads as follows:
quote:
To Whom It May Concern:
I have recently received information about individuals who claim to have been "cured" of AIDS and or HIV. These individuals have presented a certificate with your letterhead, denoting a "HIV Positive" in a pre-dated memorandum, and then a "HIV Negative" result in a more current version of the same letterhead. I am deeply interested in knowing if these are legitimate patients received by your ministry, in that I am unaware of any present cure for AIDS or HIV. Your response would be most appreciated.
XXXXXX, XXXXXXX
Health Care Specialist, USA
Addendum:
Attached is a photo of one of the individuals aforementioned.
The USA denotes US Army.
Now, I will be sure to attach any response I receive from the Nigerian FMOH. I suspect strongly that this will be a case of charlatans that have created false documents. The handwritten forms, absent of rubber stamp, or seal authentication demands rejection of the forms until legitimized by the authority these individuals are claiming to have acquired these forms from.

How hard they must find it, those who take authority as truth, rather than truth as the authority.
-unknown
It's not what you know, it's if you know how to find it.
-Me

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Modulous
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Message 111 of 297 (525963)
09-25-2009 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Cedre
09-25-2009 9:58 AM


tiny evidence, remains unconvincing
I'm sure very sure that since it was a prophecy they either jotted it down somewhere, and they would not easily put it out of their minds but be watchful and alert for any fulfillment of the prophecy, in fact they were asked to pray on this particular prophecy and because of that also they wouldn't easily forget what it entailed.
But nobody thought to record the show?
This doesn't prove anything it doesn't prove that the same thing is going on at the SCOAN until you have evidence that this is going on your claim is but only a claim.
It proves that being convinced something is true, even if you claim to have been a sceptic does not prove that you haven't been duped. It proves that the tendency to believe can be so powerful that even if the person denies they have a power to their faces, some people will still believe.
the I suggest you do some asking around and please like I said order the dvd's from the web store.
I am asking you, aren't I? I have told you why I am not going to buy any DVDs at this time, twice.
Each of these Sunday services are broadcast live to this day.
And yet nobody recorded it, and the original owners of the tapes have never published the full thing since? As I said, it's a shame because it means we have to discount this one as being evidence of a prophecy.
In that case why do you complain. If you don't wanna make an effort to confirm this prophecy stop complaining.
I'm not complaining. I'm just pointing out that this man might be a conman and I'd like to see certain evidence that would enable me to fully understand what this man claims to have foreseen so that I can judge whether or not it is evidence of prophecy.
You seem upset that I don't take his word for it, that I don't take the word of the TV company he founded (which also claims he prophesized the exact day of the crash, but for some reason didn't show that bit). And SCOAN's website has a 'confirmation' video which is the Emmanuel TV news report (which shows the same clips twice).
So erm, I'm sorry I don't believe you based on your say so about how many scpetics attend, and how many of them jot down every word he says but don't record the live broadcasts.
We are talking about thousands of people here its highly unlikely that all will be deceived if any deceiving is going on.
Thousands of people attend psychics, mediums, and healers in mega churches in the US and huge numbers believe what is happening. It is entirely possible that most people do believe - the question I am asking is, do they have a good reason to? And to know that I'd like to see the full footage. Otherwise I will suspect that the misses have been cut out. Mediums tend to have a lot of misses, as do other 'prophets', which they try to pretend never happened and as long as they don't draw attention to them, people tend to forget they were there - even those that say they were sceptical.
So to know for sure, I just want the full footage. I'm sure neither of us wants to be taken in by a conman, even if he is a very successful one so I'm sure you appreciate why I would want to do this.
Or is there another prophecy this man has given, for which full uncut footage definitely does exist? That might be interesting...surely between all those critics and sceptics they didn't forget to record the live broadcast every time did they?
My warning bells chime at some of the more recent allegations about his deceptions and fraud as well as his harem, and his extortion (you want to be a disciple, then you must buy his DVDs!). So I'm not going to start believing based on the little evidence I have available, sorry.

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Theodoric
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Message 112 of 297 (525966)
09-25-2009 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Cedre
09-25-2009 9:58 AM


Still looking for responses and evidence
You are making it very clear that you, yourself realize that there is no evidence. There have been a number of refutations made that you have failed to address at all. I guess anything that shows he is a charlatan you dismiss out of hand.
You have been asked many times now to provide some hard evidence. You have refused to give us the actual prophecies, their dates and the dates of fulfillment. Instead you provide anecdotal evidence and tell us we have to go to this charlatans own website to find any evidence, then when it is noticed that the evidence is doctored you expect us to BUY a dvd from him. WOW!!!!
I am amazed that you have ridiculed people for questioning the impartiality of Joshua's website and TV program. There is something you should look into called "critical thinking". I tmight help to at least try a little bit of it. Remember extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So far you have provided no evidence and your reluctance to provide any speaks volumes.
You were specifically asked to address this post Message 38, but of as yet have not.
Catholic Scientist writes:
So I found this video on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7cGK9OodVY
Its all about the subject of this thread.
I skipped through most of it, its 25 min., but I did happen to see these words right before the credits at the end, I think its an update for some of the people who were healed in the video:
quote:John Rindel went for an AIDS test on April 12, He is still HIV positive.
Nine year-old Muller Starke went for medical tests on April 18, His heart condition remains unchanged.
Wium Basson died over the weekend.
A dude actually died because he thought he was cured. That really sucks. Bad.
Why no response from you on this?
How about this one? Message 85
Coragyps writes:
when you say last Friday of the month, you are referring to the 24th of May, aren't you, that's the date you have been arguing for all along, right.
I doubt that's what he means, since May has 31 days. If the 24th is a Friday, it's not the last Friday.
Edited by Theodoric, : New subtitle

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 113 of 297 (525969)
09-25-2009 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Cedre
09-25-2009 9:23 AM


Re: An honest look at the evidence
Sorry this thread is not dedicated to biblical prophecies there are threads I understand that deal with those.
You asked for a demonstration concerning, specifically, prophecies. So I provided it. Now what of the prophecy of Tyre? Or should I assume that you don't like the implications?

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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PaulK
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Message 114 of 297 (525970)
09-25-2009 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Theodoric
09-25-2009 10:56 AM


Re: Still looking for responses and evidence
On the last, he mistyped - he meant 24th April. There's a lot wrong in his arguments but that is a trivial error.

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Theodoric
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Message 115 of 297 (525976)
09-25-2009 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Cedre
09-25-2009 4:27 AM


Jets or not Jets
I realize that nothing I say is going to influence you and you will dismiss everything I say out of hand.
Turbo-props are actually a development of the jet engine.
Wrong. It is a development of a turbine engine.
And the plane in question is a turbo-prop, turbo-props are basically referred to as jets with propellers.
Wrong. They are referred to as propeller planes with a turbine. Not a jet engine.
A turboprop technically is not a jet aircraft. Every year I get the pleasure of flying in a turboprop Cessna Caravan. It is not and has never been referred to as jet. It does have turbine engine but the output of the turbine is not to provide jet propulsion but to drive the propeller.
Though you may see them listed as turboprop jets technically they are not jets and I know of no one, other than you and some creative marketers, that would refer to them as jets. As a matter of fact I have contacted two pilots and two air traffic controllers and none of them would call a turbo prop a jet.
One pilot told me that the wiki page on turbo props gives a great explanation why it is not a jet.
Turboprop - Wikipedia
A turboprop is an internal combustion engine. The turbine is used to drive the propeller. Jets do not have or need propellers. A jet is a reaction engine. The turbine is used to create thrust that drives the aircraft forward. In a turboprop less than 10% of the exhaust creates thrust.
Using your logic that a turboprop is a jet because it has a turbine, than you would have to call the US Abrams Tank a jet, because it is also powered by a turbine.
Again from Wikipedia.
Jet engine - Wikipedia
quote:
A jet engine is a reaction engine that discharges a fast moving jet of fluid to generate thrust in accordance with Newton's laws of motion. This broad definition of jet engines includes turbojets, turbofans, rockets, ramjets, pulse jets and pump-jets. In general, most jet engines are internal combustion engines[1] but non-combusting forms also exist.
No turboprop listed.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Cedre
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Message 116 of 297 (525978)
09-25-2009 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Modulous
09-25-2009 10:48 AM


Re: tiny evidence, remains unconvincing
But nobody thought to record the show?
And yet nobody recorded it, and the original owners of the tapes have never published the full thing since? As I said, it's a shame because it means we have to discount this one as being evidence of a prophecy.
How can you be sure that nobody has recored it, just because it doesn't appear on the web it doesn't mean that nobody has recorded it.
It proves that being convinced something is true, even if you claim to have been a sceptic does not prove that you haven't been duped. It proves that the tendency to believe can be so powerful that even if the person denies they have a power to their faces, some people will still believe.
It doesn't mean that because it is possible to be duped that the SCOAN is involved in duping people, you would think this because what goes on inside that church disagrees with everything you love and hold dear.
I am asking you, aren't I? I have told you why I am not going to buy any DVDs at this time, twice.
If that's your final decision then I have no say in it. But I still think it would be wise to buy the original and compare it with the streamed clip you presented here.
I'm not complaining. I'm just pointing out that this man might be a conman and I'd like to see certain evidence that would enable me to fully understand what this man claims to have foreseen so that I can judge whether or not it is evidence of prophecy.
I understand your strong desire to be very sure of the facts before accepting anything, but you are being very unfair, because you are approaching this issue with a clear-cut prejudice, you are not after the truth, in my opinion, its evident. From the start you have concluded that this guy must be charlatan, even before letting the evidence speak, that is why you don't want to secure anything from his web store, because you believe that he is a conman. you not neutral its clear, what happened to innocent until proven guilty. Your not even willing to give this guy the benefit of a doubt. In your mind he is already guilty as charged, a conman, a charlatan. This ins't the attitude of someone who is after the truth.
You seem upset that I don't take his word for it, that I don't take the word of the TV company he founded (which also claims he prophesized the exact day of the crash, but for some reason didn't show that bit). And SCOAN's website has a 'confirmation' video which is the Emmanuel TV news report (which shows the same clips twice).
This isn't true I don't want you to blindly believe anything I don't blindly believe anything as well. I want you to approach the evidence open-minded and not with your current bias.
housands of people attend psychics, mediums, and healers in mega churches in the US and huge numbers believe what is happening. It is entirely possible that most people do believe
Just because those people get deceived it doesn't mean the people at the SCOAN are also deceived, or it doesn't mean that because physics and other faith healers deceive that TB Joshua is also deceving people. You like stereotyping people. Which isn't right. Not everyone is a liar, a deceiver a charlatan.
This were prophecies that were made not miracles performed we are talking about something that was said its unlikely that thousands of people won't remember what was said.

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Cedre
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Message 117 of 297 (525979)
09-25-2009 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Theodoric
09-25-2009 11:23 AM


Re: Jets or not Jets
I gave you a whole lot of links even a link to Time that refers to turboprops as jets. people commonly refer to them as jets with turboprops-jets even Time Magazine.

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Message 118 of 297 (525987)
09-25-2009 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Cedre
09-25-2009 11:29 AM


Re: Jets or not Jets
No it is not common. It is extremely uncommon. Do you realize your Time article is from 1965. Damn hell of a long way to go back to get support.
Do you really think an average person would look at a turbo prop and call it a jet?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 119 of 297 (525992)
09-25-2009 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Theodoric
09-25-2009 11:50 AM


Re: Jets or not Jets
Do you really think an average person would look at a turbo prop and call it a jet?
If you watch the video Mod linked to, the prophet's use of the word 'jet' doesn't really matter to the prophesy. He even pauses before he says as if he wasn't really going for a proper description of the flying mechanism of the vehicle and simply describing what he saw in his vision. Plus, his Engrish isn't the best in the first place.
I think that average person would be fine in describing the turbo prop plane as a jet. Personal jet is just a phrase.
I really think focusing on this one word doesn't help at all.

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Message 120 of 297 (525994)
09-25-2009 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by New Cat's Eye
09-25-2009 12:05 PM


Re: Jets or not Jets
I disagree. Personal jet brings up visions of a leer or such.

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