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subbie
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Message 61 of 121 (526111)
09-25-2009 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by ICdesign
09-25-2009 10:54 PM


Re: Observed instances of speciation
Be man enough to admit when you're wrong. Or if you think I'm wrong, tell me why. But don't puss out.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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ICdesign
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Message 62 of 121 (526114)
09-25-2009 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by subbie
09-25-2009 10:51 PM


Re: New information from a blind non-thinking source
Let me guess. The "plan" that was "developed" was done by a computer correct?

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Message 63 of 121 (526116)
09-25-2009 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by ICdesign
09-25-2009 10:57 PM


Re: New information from a blind non-thinking source
Tell you what, instead of guessing, why don't you read about it? Click on the link and see how they did it. It's really not that complicated. Then you can mischaracterize it in your own words rather than just quibbling with my description.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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ICdesign
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Message 64 of 121 (526117)
09-25-2009 11:01 PM
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09-25-2009 10:56 PM


Re: Observed instances of speciation
I'm not even close to being wrong pal. You are the one trying to take the focus off the issue by bringing up the definition of kind. Its all part of the Darwinist trick. Lets blurr the definition of kind so we can avoid the issue.

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ICdesign
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Message 65 of 121 (526119)
09-25-2009 11:03 PM
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09-25-2009 11:01 PM


Re: New information from a blind non-thinking source
You already made my point for me when you said "they did it".
I have to run for now, bye

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Message 66 of 121 (526120)
09-25-2009 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by ICdesign
09-25-2009 11:01 PM


Re: Observed instances of speciation
I simply brought up "kind" in an effort to head off where I thought you were going. If I was wrong, ignore the "kind" issue and tell me why the observed instances of speciation don't satisfy your claim that such changes haven't been observed.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 67 of 121 (526121)
09-25-2009 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by ICdesign
09-25-2009 10:42 PM


Re: Both Sides
Lots of small changes do not equal a huge leap into another brand new species. This has NEVER been observed and never will be because it is impossible.
Sorry, this has been observed in ring species (among other places). A ring species is a group or related organisms, each slightly differing from the next, arranged in a ring around some geographic feature.
Each group can interbreed with the adjacent groups, but the species at the endpoints of the ring can't interbreed with one another--the definition of a species. These ring species have the added advantage of preserving all of the intermediate species (transitionals) intact for study.
If we can observe speciation (macro-evolution) in contemporaneous populations, why do you assume it is impossible given millions of years?
If you think massive new information to the Genome is not required to produce a new feature in an organizm I highly recommend you head down to the libraries you keep refering to
Been there: six years of graduate school.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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subbie
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Message 68 of 121 (526122)
09-25-2009 11:07 PM
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09-25-2009 11:03 PM


Re: New information from a blind non-thinking source
Well done. Ignore the evidence and simply claim victory. Assume that intelligence must have been involved in the design process. At least that's consistent with the overall creo game plan.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 69 of 121 (526123)
09-25-2009 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by ICdesign
09-25-2009 8:49 PM


Re: Both Sides
Hi again ICDESIGN,
Both sides should be discussed, absolutely.
Great. Then I'll see you on the BOTH SIDES of the Design Controversy thread.
Enjoy.

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ICdesign
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Message 70 of 121 (526127)
09-25-2009 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by subbie
09-25-2009 11:07 PM


Re: New information from a blind non-thinking source
One thing before I go. (Oh, and thanks for the friendly debate)
I was just wondering what that antenna had to do with new information
to the Genome. The answer is nothing. Absolutly nothing. Just another mirror in the house of tricks.

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ICdesign
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Message 71 of 121 (526128)
09-25-2009 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by subbie
09-25-2009 11:07 PM


Re: New information from a blind non-thinking source
What evidence are you refering to? Please tell me it was that antenna so I can fall asleep tonight laughing.

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subbie
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Message 72 of 121 (526130)
09-25-2009 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by ICdesign
09-25-2009 11:21 PM


Re: New information from a blind non-thinking source
The question I was answering didn't have anything to do with genomes. You simply asked for
significant new information from a blind non-thinking source
.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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subbie
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Message 73 of 121 (526131)
09-25-2009 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by ICdesign
09-25-2009 11:23 PM


Re: New information from a blind non-thinking source
I'm talking about the actual process that NASA used. You can find it here.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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ICdesign
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Message 74 of 121 (526136)
09-25-2009 11:56 PM
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09-25-2009 11:27 PM


Re: New information from a blind non-thinking source
Thanks for the link. What I see is a great innovation created by the most brilliant minds in the world. It does nothing to provide answers
as to where information came from for the Theory of Evolution model.
To say that antenna came from natural causes with no help from an intelligent source is horse crap of the highest order.

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subbie
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Message 75 of 121 (526138)
09-26-2009 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by ICdesign
09-25-2009 11:56 PM


Re: New information from a blind non-thinking source
But you didn't ask for something that came from natural causes with no help from an intelligent source. You asked for
significant new information from a blind non-thinking source.
And that's exactly what I provided.
You know, it seems to me that this discussion would proceed much more efficiently if you would remember the questions you actually ask.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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