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Author Topic:   A Modern Day Miracle Man - Establishes the Supernatural Realm
Cedre
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Message 136 of 297 (526205)
09-26-2009 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Perdition
09-25-2009 2:25 PM


Had anyone that heard his prophecy been scheduled to be on any of those flights, and did they get bumped for some reason? Were any of the people who were in the crashes aware of the prophecy? If not, then it seems like all he did was make a vague prediction that an air crash would occur during the end of the month.
What has any of this got to do with the validity of the prophecy? Joshua was hopeful that some of the people scheduled for those flights would be watching when he delivered the prophecy; I don't see how them not receiving it proves it wrong.
Do you know how many air crashes occur during a month?
Not a lot, plane crashes do not happen every month end or even every month, your argument is a desperate attempt to keep your Godless world view alive. This man gave exact dates, exact dates, that impossible. He did something humanely impossible.
Do you know how many occur during the half of the month of January?
And those were perfectly predicted by TB Joshua with the exact dates and everything.
If I say, "Be careful if you're flying during the beginning of the month of October, between 1, 5, 16, any of the days from 1 to 16, for if you shall be on a flight during that time and it crashes, if you be righteous, you shall not be hurt."
That's not the same as TB Joshua's prophecy, he gave the exact dates on which the accidents occurred "If you are going to fly: 17, 27, 28" and then he adds to the end of the month" and lo and behold, what happens on the 17th a plane crash occurs on the 27 a plane crash occurs, nothing in between, on the 28th another plane crash occurs from this point all the way up to the month's end more occur. Come on, this is poles apart from your prediction that leaves a huge vacuum for accidents to happen, but what would make your prediction incredible is if successive accidents suddenly starts to occur exactly on the 17th and abruptly ends on the 28th, that would be a real prophecy. And that's what TB Joshua has done. You need to deal with this matters instead of brushing it off, in fact its impossible to brush it off due to the accuracy of the prophecies and its mentioning of exact dates.
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Cedre
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Message 137 of 297 (526207)
09-26-2009 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by PaulK
09-26-2009 6:36 AM


Do the mathematics. 21199/5286 is just over 4. One crash every 4 days... Hardly a rare event.
You are the one who is joking it is rare, plane crashes are rare, considering that out of 21199 only 5286 witnessed an accident. And I should reiterate my point that common events like car crashes don't also happen everyday or week, etc, there is no guarantee that common things will happen on a particular date. It is always a guess, a plane crash for example isn't something that has been predetermined to happen every one in four days as an example, that is why its referred to as an accident not a something that is guaranteed to happen at least once in every four four days. It also depends on how sloppy people are in securing that an aircraft is safe for lift off, some months people tend to be more sloppy than other months.
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Message 138 of 297 (526208)
09-26-2009 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Cedre
09-26-2009 6:43 AM


quote:
You are the one who is joking it is rare, plane crashes are rare, considering that out of 21199 only 5286 witnessed an accident. And I should reiterate my point that common events like car crashes don't also happen everyday or week, etc, there is no guarantee that common things will happen on a particular date.
5286 out of 21199 is a little over 1 in 4. That is no joke. And let us not forget that you were claiming that there would often be months between crashes !
And the prophecy wasn't as precise as you claim either. Joshua never said that there would be a crash on a number of specific days.

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Cedre
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From: Russia
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Message 139 of 297 (526209)
09-26-2009 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by PaulK
09-26-2009 7:13 AM


5286 out of 21199 is a little over 1 in 4. That is no joke. And let us not forget that you were claiming that there would often be months between crashes !
You are out of responses, the fact is you are overlooking my previous posts already dealing with this issue, that number doesn't mean much because if it did mean much there would have been many more days with accidents instead of only 5286 out of a whooping 21199 days. furthermore like I said in the previous post this accidents are not predetermined to happen once every four days, they can in fact happen more than once or not at all. And some months go by without crashes, to boot so my claim is actually supported by the facts, that there are months that go by without seeing any accident.
And the prophecy wasn't as precise as you claim either. Joshua never said that there would be a crash on a number of specific days.
This is just a plain lie TB Joshua individually mentions those specific dates and warns people not to fly on those days.
Those who are flying, please take Psalm 91. If you are going to fly: 17, 27, 28,"
And he says in between 17, 27, 28. Write it down the Psalm 91 and sort of meditate on it.
"...It’s either you miss your flight; it’s either something happens 17, 27, 28."
and then he adds that it will also last to the end of the month. From "that 17 — the whole thing from 17 to the end of the month" and behold it does only last to the end of the month.
TB Joshua did mention exact dates and all you can do is lie about it. Its a shame really the degree you are willing to go in order to latch on to your Godless world view and keep from repenting.
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Message 140 of 297 (526221)
09-26-2009 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Cedre
09-26-2009 5:58 AM


Re: An honest look at the evidence
I don't agree with you here, there is enough convincing evidence on this clips clearly hinting at the reality of the supernatural realm, I think your merely in denial.
Cedre, I think the denial is on your end. This guy is a charlatan, a swindler, a crook, a false prophet, and not even a remotely convincing one. There are many Christians in African nations who feel the same way, warning that he's here to fleece the flock.
Show your audience a CLEAR prophecy that he predicted, versus his anecdotes where he says in front of his congregation, Oh, I predicted that, and then maybe he'll establish more credibility.
You're one step away from joining or starting a cult. This is how it begins, brother. This is exactly how new religions spring up.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Cedre
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Posts: 350
From: Russia
Joined: 01-30-2009


Message 141 of 297 (526225)
09-26-2009 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Hyroglyphx
09-26-2009 9:16 AM


Re: An honest look at the evidence
Cedre, I think the denial is on your end.
What am I denying, am I denying what I see with my own eyes, and hear with my own ears, am I denying what many different groups and people have confirmed, there is no evidence against this man, his prophetic claims and miracles are confirmed in news paper articles, and are captured on video and archived but before this they are broadcast live throughout the world and this is confirmed by such news agencies as Africa news, etc. You can order this videos from the SCOAn web store or most likely view them on YouTube.
Below is an article from allvoices.com about another prophecy given by TB Joshua.
ABNORMAL FLOODS
Deadly floods ripped through parts of Japan and Turkey on Tuesday 21st July 2009, leaving a vicious trail of devastation and destruction in their wake. Days earlier in a prophetic declaration, Nigerian Prophet, TB Joshua had openly warned the public of such calamityOn Sunday 12th July 2009, TB Joshua, Pastor of The Synagogue Church Of All Nations in Lagos, Nigeria, issued a warning concerning ‘abnormal floods’ that would come at an unexpected time and wreak havoc. Water will come into the town and into the city and destroy a lot of things, said the Prophet. I’m seeing a water coming in a mighty way. People begin to run and the whole area was vacated and people disappeared. This is floodThis will happen at a time they are not expecting. People will be sleeping. He further re-iterated the warning and expanded on its details the following Sunday, 19th July. There will be rain that will cause damage, said the Nigerian prophet, and that will bring water into the city, the community. He went on to specify the locations of the anomalous weather, saying, It will not just be in one place, but one from an Asian country, a city in an Asian country The other one will be at the extreme end of the border. He expressly spoke to holiday-makers, stating that the border-disaster would come in a community where tourists enjoy themselves. Two days later on Tuesday 21st July, news broke to the international community that torrential rains had caused abnormal and fatal flooding in two separate locations, the city of Hofu in Japan and the surrounding areas, and the city of Giresun, (The other one will be extreme end of the border.
Giresun, the site of the second flood, is a province of turkey on the black sea coast. it was founded on a peninsula — the extreme end of the border exactly as Prophet T.B. Joshua had prophesied.)a popular tourist destination on the border or Turkey. Both cities were severely flooded, causing widespread alarm and extensive material damage to properties. In Hofu, the heavy downpour triggered land and mudslides, leaving 12 people dead and dozens still missing. The Meteorological Agency said the peak of the rain has passed in southern Japan, where more than 25 centimeters of rainfall was reported in 24 hours on Tuesday and has continued throughout the week with a warning of more landslides. Hundreds of people have been evacuated from their homes and fresh water supplies have been cut off to nearly 30,000 homes. In the city of Giresun situated on the border of Turkey, Mayor Kerim Aksu said that due to overflow in Giresun, a thousand vehicles and around two or three thousand homes flooded by water. Aksu said Thousands of vehicle and around two or three thousands of home flooded by water. We cannot assess the damage. The city is covered completely with water. Hospitals, schools and public buildings were seriously damaged. Flood caused a loss of nearly 20 million TL, experts said.The prophetic revelation comes in lieu of Prophet Joshua’s accurate predictions regarding the passing of Michael Jackson and the terrorist bombings in Jakarta, Indonesia. Joshua prophesies weekly during his Sunday Services, which are broadcast live on Emmanuel TV, a religious station particularly popular in Africa. It is remarkable that the Nigerian prophet’s ability to prophesy accurately regarding world issues is consistent, as each month brings fresh confirmation of his words. This leaves less room for doubt regarding the authenticity of such prophetic utterances.http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/3756767-abnormal-floods
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Coragyps
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Message 142 of 297 (526228)
09-26-2009 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Cedre
09-26-2009 7:26 AM


...days with accidents instead of only 5286 out of a whooping 21199 days.
That would be more impressive if it were "only 52 out of a whooping 21199 days" or "only 5286 out of a whooping 2,119,977 days." You're failing to impress with this kind of rhetoric, Cedre.

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Cedre
Member (Idle past 1490 days)
Posts: 350
From: Russia
Joined: 01-30-2009


Message 143 of 297 (526230)
09-26-2009 10:33 AM
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09-26-2009 10:25 AM


That would be more impressive if it were "only 52 out of a whooping 21199 days" or "only 5286 out of a whooping 2,119,977 days." You're failing to impress with this kind of rhetoric, Cedre.
Rhetoric? How so? 5286 out of a whooping 21199 days is a pretty petty figure, it demonstrates that aviation accidents are rare quite rare.
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Coragyps
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Message 144 of 297 (526234)
09-26-2009 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Cedre
09-26-2009 10:33 AM


It's not two million days, doofus. It's one in four days on the average. Not "rare."
2,119,117 days ago was in 3795 BC, anyway. Before airplanes.

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Message 145 of 297 (526236)
09-26-2009 10:46 AM
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09-26-2009 10:33 AM


Cedre writes:
hetoric? How so? 5286 out of a whooping 2,119,977 days is a pretty petty figure, it demonstrates that aviation accidents are rare quite rare.
Your figure was 21.119 days. That makes it about 25%. I wouldn;t call that rare.

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Cedre
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From: Russia
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Message 146 of 297 (526237)
09-26-2009 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Coragyps
09-26-2009 10:45 AM


It's not two million days, doofus.
directly copied and pasted from your quote not realizing that you had messed with the digits.
it is rare, you can say its not but it is rare. The proof is in the numbers.

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Cedre
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Message 147 of 297 (526238)
09-26-2009 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by Huntard
09-26-2009 10:46 AM


That makes it about 25%
What! Are you kidding that is rare, and when its considered along with the evidence I give in my posts, it becomes fatally rare. Anyway the specific dates, reduces the possibility that this was a guess by a great deal. If it isn't so rare as you claim, can you make a prediction in your next post giving specific dates like TB Joshua did and we shall see if you prediction comes to pass.
lets look at the odds of a traveler being in a plane crash, further revealing how rare it is
Winning the lottery jackpot? (1 in 14 million)
being struck by lightning? (1 in 20 million)
Your odds of these two things are actually BETTER than being in an airplane crash (1 in 25 million)
Source(s):
National Safety Council
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Cedre
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Posts: 350
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Message 148 of 297 (526240)
09-26-2009 11:18 AM


I'm off
See you folks on Monday, for now I'm off to enjoy what is remaining of my weekend.

  
Theodoric
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Message 149 of 297 (526241)
09-26-2009 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Cedre
09-26-2009 6:43 AM


I would bet a lot of money on 25% odds. One in four is not rare. There is no definition of the word rare that 25% would qualify as. 25% is common.
YOu are letting your faith destroy all credibility and common sense you may have once had.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Cedre
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Posts: 350
From: Russia
Joined: 01-30-2009


Message 150 of 297 (526243)
09-26-2009 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by Theodoric
09-26-2009 11:23 AM


lets look at those numbers again.
I would bet a lot of money on 25% odds. One in four is not rare. There is no definition of the word rare that 25% would qualify as. 25% is common.
25% is quite rare, look at the figures again only 5286 days out of a whooping 21199 days from 1950 up to the present time has had plane crashes, that means that 15913 days were accident free, how many months are those? assuming each month has got has 31 days we get 513 months without accidents of 631 months, subtracting the two figures we determine that only 118 months saw accidents, out of 631 months. It looks rare to me, if so many months could be without accidents, what then are the chances of any month witnessing a plane crash, also when being in plane crash is even less likely than winning the lottery or being struck by lighting National Safety Council
YOu are letting your faith destroy all credibility and common sense you may have once had.
Your letting your stubbornness destroy all credibility and common sense you may have once had.
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