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Coyote
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Message 52 of 121 (526096)
09-25-2009 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by ICdesign
09-25-2009 8:49 PM


Re: Both Sides
Where is the evidence that the sorts of incidental changes required for large-scale evolution ever occur?
University libraries full of scientific journals. Large museums full of fossils etc. University research laboratories where relevant experiments are conducted. Biology/evolution textbooks. The web (search for non-creationist sites).
Next question?

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Message 54 of 121 (526103)
09-25-2009 10:31 PM
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09-25-2009 10:06 PM


Re: Both Sides
You asked:
Where is the evidence that the sorts of incidental changes required for large-scale evolution ever occur?
Perhaps my reply was a bit short, but truly, there is evidence in quantity for this.
Large-scale evolution is made up of small-scale changes, what creationists often refer to as micro-evolution. Given some time and selection pressure, those small changes add up, and before long you have what is commonly called macro-evolution. There is no mechanism known to prevent those small changes from adding up to macro-evolution, given the time and pressure to do so.
Your post refers to "how to generate significant new information to a Genome." There is no requirement for "new" information, although that is often the case. Evolution is change, which can be increased complexity or even loss of complexity. Or just change.
And there really is a lot of information in those dusty stacks in the university libraries. Not all of it by far is yet available on the web.

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Message 67 of 121 (526121)
09-25-2009 11:06 PM
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09-25-2009 10:42 PM


Re: Both Sides
Lots of small changes do not equal a huge leap into another brand new species. This has NEVER been observed and never will be because it is impossible.
Sorry, this has been observed in ring species (among other places). A ring species is a group or related organisms, each slightly differing from the next, arranged in a ring around some geographic feature.
Each group can interbreed with the adjacent groups, but the species at the endpoints of the ring can't interbreed with one another--the definition of a species. These ring species have the added advantage of preserving all of the intermediate species (transitionals) intact for study.
If we can observe speciation (macro-evolution) in contemporaneous populations, why do you assume it is impossible given millions of years?
If you think massive new information to the Genome is not required to produce a new feature in an organizm I highly recommend you head down to the libraries you keep refering to
Been there: six years of graduate school.

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Message 88 of 121 (526279)
09-26-2009 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by ICdesign
09-26-2009 1:36 PM


Creationists' denial
Its a proven fact that most mutations are either harmful or neutral, first of all.
Most?
And the rest are what?
Face it, biologists and other scientists have evidence of beneficial mutations, and creationists simply refuse to acknowledge that evidence because of religious reasons.
Believe what you like, but don't claim its science.

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