A Modern Day Miracle Man - Establishes the Supernatural Realm

Plane crashes happen every month, in fact, if you include helicopters and military vehicles (as TB does) then they happen close to every week. My cousin is in Iraq, so his mother, my Aunt, pays very close attention to news of mimlitary deaths over there. I also get the news on the TV, internet, and radio. I hear of helicopter crashes in Iraq all the time. I gave exact dates as well. Let's just wait and see what happens when October starts, shall we? If I can show you aircraft crashes on the dates I mentioned, will you agree that this type of prophecy is easy to fake?

Perhaps.But you have to admit I did make a prediction comparable to the one TB Joshua made. I specified day of the week, method, and people involved. According to Cedre, those are enough to qualify as a valid prediction.Once my prediction comes true, I hope Cedre, and others like him/her/it, will be willing to make a donation to support me... in the name of God, of course.

It does not pay a prophet to be too specific.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Keeping this all in mind, that's almost 10 (yes ten) years (with all 12 months having 31 days, so in reality it would be 10 years) of non stop accidents. That's quite a long time to have accidents, I'd say.

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I hunt for the truthI am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

I think it's about time we wrapped up this endless dilation about the prophecies of TB Joshua. I think all of us has said enough and the fact is, further discussion is not going to change anyone's opinion it will only prove to be be a waste of time for all of us, therefore everyone must make up their minds regarding this issue at this point so that we can wrap this up and move over to something new, if you want to dismiss these prophecies as mere guesses go ahead it's you're call, but the time has come to reach a conclusion.In the spirit of honesty I will admit that everyone made some valid points, and not so valid points concerning the prophetic ministry of TB Joshua, all-in-all it was a stirring insightful exchange between people of differing world views, I learned something about plane crashes and I also learned something about the way people confront facts. But now I think we should all reach our conclusions regarding these prophecies. Personally, I do not think that TB Joshua based his prophecies on guesswork, I think his prophecies are little beyond guessing, in part due to their accuracy, and none of you could sufficiently demonstrate otherwise, but mostly what is amazing to me is the short amount of time within which they were fulfilled, for me this is the one thing I cannot just brush off, this is something that is a little too suspect to be overlooked. On the other hand I perfectly do understand the problem some of you have with these prophecies especially with the specificity of some of them such as the lack of clear-cut dates, I think this has deterred the bulk of you from taking these prophecies seriously and I think many more people will use that as an excuse to rule out his prophecies just like some you have, but I think the short amount of time within which the prophecies were fulfilled counter this point. A friend of mine once jokingly said to me, believers are quick to believe and disbelievers are quick to disbelieve. I think this fact has been borne out more than once throughout this thread so far. Lastly I wanna advise all of you to somehow get hold of Emmanuel TV on your private televisions its free by the way, because many a Sunday TB Joshua delivers new prophecies live, and you might wanna keep track of his newest prophecies and their success rate, maybe that will help many of you in settling once and for all if this guy is a charlatan or not, also during this live Sunday services people with all kinds of medical conditions are prayed for and often they are instantly healed, many people remove braces, throw away crutches and walkers right after being prayed for, for his prior prophecies visit scoan.com.Okay I'm not closing down the thread I'm just wrapping up the part dealing with the prophecies, now we can invest more time in discussing the miracles that are said to happen at the SCOAN. I believe by now many of you have seen some of the healing clips and have already started to form your opinions about them, if you haven't viewed any yet, they are available on YouTube you can view many of them there. Cheers!Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

Here are two simple questions:1) If TB Joshua's prophecies are always fulfilled - and often quickly, why refuse to put it to a real test, using predictions that have not yet come true ?2) Why is TB Joshua "good" at predicting small, common, crashes (which likely affect nobody in his audience) but does not seem to have a record for predicting the big crashes where many people die ?For instance, if we look at planecrashinco.com's list of the 100 worst crashes and look at just those that ocurred in 2009 we have:June 1 2009: Air France 228 dead.
June 30 2009: Yemenia 152 dead
July 15 2009: Caspian Air 168 deadAnd we don't have a prediction for any of these ?

Two simple answers for two simple questions: I'm not aware of any other prophecies that are ascribed to TB Joshua then the ones that are currently being displayed at his various websites and are in circulation around the web. Maybe you know of other prophecies that he made but are not being displayed at his various websites, if you do please fill me in? But as I said in my last post, TB Joshua encourages the world to watch his live Sunday services because that is when he usually delivers new prophecies, I personally encourage you, Paulk to watch his Sunday services seeing that you might be at the heart of the next prophecy he gives. That is like asking why Jesus or the ancient prophets of God didn't predict the Jewish holocaust, or the world wars or the rise of Islam, a religion that is so antagonistic to the teachings of God in the bible, and is to blame for a lot of bloodshed in our present world, and is directly responsible for the persecution of Christians throughout the middle east and Muslim Africa. As for TB Joshua he can always reply that he only tells what God shows him and if he hasn't told about something that is because God hasn't shown it to him. And then you might be tempted to ask why God hasn't shown it to him, but this isn't a question TB Joshua is expected to answer, for the obvious reason that he is not God. As a side note I'm glad that you owned up that TB Joshua is good at predicting events even if they are unimportant in your eyes. Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

As you'll recall, I replied to your first post with a prediction stating: And lo and behold, what happens? LinkyHow's that for my predictive abilities?

All hail Perdition! New prophet of the Lord!Now what, Cedre? Will you flat out deny his powers?

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I hunt for the truthI am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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I'm not aware of any other prophecies that are ascribed to TB Joshua then the ones that are currently being displayed at his various websites and are in circulation around the web

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In other words you only know of claimed successes after the fact.

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But as I said in my last post, TB Joshua encourages the world to watch his live Sunday services because that is when he usually delivers new prophecies,

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Don't you watch them ? And if he only delivers a few prophecies a year as you have just suggested, watching a service on the off-chance seems to be a bit of a waste of time.

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I personally encourage you, Paulk to watch his Sunday services seeing that you might be at the heart of the next prophecy he gives

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As far as I know, I can't, and from the evidence seen it is very rare that anyone watching is "at the heart" of one of his "prophecies".

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That is like asking why Jesus or the ancient prophets of God didn't predict the Jewish holocaust, or the world wars or the rise of Islam, a religion that is so antagonistic to the teachings of God in the bible, and is to blame for a lot of bloodshed in our present world, and is directly responsible for the persecution of Christians throughout the middle east and Muslim Africa.

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No, it is not at all like that. Unless you are saying that TB Joshua lived thousands of years ago. If he is predicting aircraft crashes in 2009 you have to ask why he only "hit" a few of the smallest ones in that year (not even the largest in the month of January) - and missed the bigger ones.

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As a side note I'm glad that you owned up that TB Joshua is good at predicting events even if they are unimportant in your eyes.

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I didn't. That is why "good" was placed in quote marks.What you are missing is that this is the exactly the pattern we would expect to see if he was a fake.

Not bad, but its interesting to note that you made your prediction in light of pending disaster, Typhoon Ketsana formed a day before you made your prediction, and you used this information to make your prediction, and the day on which you made your prediction Ketsana was considerably on the verge of making contact with land, and it was barging in quite fast. Your prediction is based on the predictions of meteorologists basically on a weather forecast Typhoon Ketsana - Wikipedia(2009)#Impacton the day of your prediction On September 24, PAGASA placed the provinces of Aurora, northern Quezon, Camarines Norte, Camarines Sur, and Catanduanes under Public Storm Warning Signal #1 which meant that winds of 30—60 km/h were expected to affect the said areas within 36 hours. Typhoon Ketsana - Wikipedia(2009)#ImpactYour so-called prophecy was not a prophecy but a repeat of what meteorologist had already predicted.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

Not so fast buddy, perdition is a clean-cut charlatan his perdition oops prediction is based on a weather forecast. Actually i expect you to attack his so-called prediction with the same kind of fervor you used in attacking TB Joshua's prophecies. I trust this will be a very easy trouble-free venture for you Huntard.

In my earlier post I said that I wasn't going to waste another minute on the issue of TB Joshua's prophecies and I meant what I said, you can make of his prophecies whatever you want, it's all up to you. Let's move over to the next issue, his miracles.

No it isn't! He recieved it straight from god! Why are you denying this obvious fact? Now that I have seen him display his awesome powers of prediction myself, I'm convinced this man is a TRVE prophet! I can't deny the facts, Cedre, he is the TRVE prophet!

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I hunt for the truthI am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

What? Did you not read or comprehend the prediction of the Prophet Perdition? Did you not see his words speak truth before the event?He prophesied many dead and indeed many died. He prophesied death by water and there was death by water. He prophesied no dust and there was no dust. He even prophesied the specific day and it was so.All your facts of obfuscation not withstanding Our Prophet's prediction came true.All heed the Great Prophet Perdition,
That he speaks truth with his prediction.
All hail the Great Prophet Perdition,
That you not be in his next prediction!In microcosm here, Cedre, can you see how the game is played?Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Edited by AZPaul3, : better syntax