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A Modern Day Miracle Man - Establishes the Supernatural Realm

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Message 149 of 297 (526241)
09-26-2009 11:23 AM 		Reply to: Message 137 by Cedre
09-26-2009 6:43 AM

I would bet a lot of money on 25% odds. One in four is not rare. There is no definition of the word rare that 25% would qualify as. 25% is common.
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YOu are letting your faith destroy all credibility and common sense you may have once had.
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Message 152 of 297 (526245)
09-26-2009 11:40 AM 		Reply to: Message 141 by Cedre
09-26-2009 10:17 AM

Re: An honest look at the evidence
You do realize don't you that Asia is the largest continent in the world and July is the height of monsoon season, don't you.
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From about mid June, for about a month, it is the monsoon season where it often rains.
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The climate is typical of this stretch of the Black Sea coast i.e. very wet.
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And since when would you refer to a coastal place as being on the border. This is ludicrous. Do we say, New York or Los Angeles are on the border?
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Oh yeah, you can define words anyway you want
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Border : the line that separates one country, state, province, etc., from another; frontier line: You cannot cross the border without a visa.
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You could make an ambiguous "prophecy" like this almost any week of the year and there would be places that fit this. Also, he made the prophecy 9 days before. Do you know anything about meteorology? It is quite common to have forecasts 12-15 days out. It is easy to anticipate heavy rainfall from a major system even further out than that.
Nothing to see here folks, move along, move along.
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09-28-2009 11:27 AM 		Reply to: Message 182 by Cedre
09-28-2009 8:13 AM

Re: An honest look at the evidence
he clearly stated only one nation from Asia will be flooded
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Again, you will manipulate facts to fit what you want to believe. Are you sure you want to go with that statement? The two floods that supposedly fit this supposed prophecy were Japan and Turkey. What continent is Japan in? Asia. Which continent is Turkey in? Asia.
You really should understand facts before you spout off.
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09-28-2009 11:31 AM 		Reply to: Message 186 by Cedre
09-28-2009 9:29 AM

Re: An honest look at the evidence
If its mere prediction than weather stations would have predicted these events, why not? Why didn't weather stations predict this events and save many lives. Its not mere prediction, you are kidding here.
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Why didn't Joshua? He could have saved numerous lives if he actually made a prophecy. All he made was a guess based upon weather patterns and odds.
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09-29-2009 6:21 PM 		Reply to: Message 206 by Cedre
09-29-2009 10:04 AM

Re: Proof of my powers
Typhoon Ketsana formed a day before you made your prediction, and you used this information to make your prediction, and the day on which you made your prediction Ketsana was considerably on the verge of making contact with land, and it was barging in quite fast. Your prediction is based on the predictions of meteorologists basically on a weather forecast
As this Joshua guys was.
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09-30-2009 10:01 AM 		Reply to: Message 254 by Cedre
09-30-2009 9:40 AM

Re: Desperate atheist resorting to desperate measures
The statistics I present here reveal that its rare to be in an aviation accident, not a commercial flight accident but being caught up in an aviation accident is rare, thus it must have included the other kinds of aircraft.
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You think you are so clever. I see you are trying to manipulate statistics.
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You see, your boy Joshua never makes a claim that a particular person would be involved in an accident. Therefore, you must throw out any statistics about a particular person being involved in a any type of accident. Yes it is rare to be in a plane crash, if you look at one individual.
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But if you look at the number of people that fly, and will fly, things change drastically. Your one in millions becomes 1 in 3 or as in 2006 almost 1 in 2 on any given day.
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If you refuse to acknowledge this you are either willfully ignorant or just blind to reality.
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Have you read the figures provided by Tuffers?
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The Geneva-based Aircraft Crashes Record Office (ACRO) compiles statistics on aviation accidents of aircraft capable of carrying more than six passengers, not including helicopters, balloons, or fighter airplanes. The ACRO announced that the year 2007 was the safest year in aviation since 1963 in terms of number of accidents.[9] There had been 136 accidents registered (compared to 164 in 2006), resulting in a total of 965 deaths (compared to 1,293 in 2006). 2004 was the year with the lowest number of fatalities since the end of World War II, with 766 deaths. The year with most fatalities was 1972, with 3,214 deaths.
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I do not do math much, but I do remember basic math. Please correct my mistakes.
In 2007 that works out to a 37.26% chance of there being a plane accident every day. According to the figures this was a very low year.
In 2006 that figure was 44.96% chance.
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That is almost an accident every other day.
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Plane accidents are not rare not matter what you claim.
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09-30-2009 10:21 AM 		Reply to: Message 259 by Cedre
09-30-2009 10:13 AM

YOu might want to respond to arguments in the post
I'm sorry things don't have to change as you propose or not as drastically as you are claiming since that statistic applies to each individual on a plane, or even things don't have to change at all. why? Do you really think that the people who publish these figures don't consider the fact that planes don't just have one passenger but many passengers, of course they do consider these things especially when they will use this figures to comfort plane users. And it is in light of this information that these statistics are revealed. Even cars they say about car crashes that there is a 1 in 5000 chance of being in a car crash, yet when we look at it car cars usually have more than one passenger, so the fact is this factors are surely considered before this figures are made public and people are comforted with them.
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I do not see how this diatribe has much to do with my post. As a matter of fact I have trouble even understanding what you are trying to say.
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Are you saying that these original figures are wrong? That there is not a 1 in 3 chance of a plane crash ever day?
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The figures given about airline safety have absolutely no relevance in this debate. You have been shown this numerous times. That you refuse to even acknowledge that shows a very strong desire not to accept anything that goes against your preconceived ideas.
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You have been shown vast amounts of evidence debunking this so called prophecies. You in turn have provided no original, unedited evidence at all.
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09-30-2009 10:29 AM 		Reply to: Message 262 by Cedre
09-30-2009 10:26 AM

Re: Desperate atheist resorting to desperate measures
And no matter what you say air plane crashes are rare and the facts agree with me.
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Provide the facts.
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09-30-2009 10:37 AM 		Reply to: Message 264 by Cedre
09-30-2009 10:30 AM

Re: YOu might want to respond to arguments in the post
I stand by the figures I can't deny facts, what I'm saying is that these statistics are revealed in light of the fact that not just one passenger boards a plane. So in view of all the passengers on a plane each individual has a 1 in 25 000000 chance of being in a plane crash that big amount generally is unaffected by the presence of the other passengers.
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First of all his prophecy says nothing about particular passengers. You are manipulating data.
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Second of all, do you understand probability at all?
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Message 275 of 297 (527322)
09-30-2009 7:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 274 by SammyJean
09-30-2009 6:44 PM

Re: Yeah... right? Moving on...
I think this is the fifth time he has been asked to address that post. I guess I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Obviously he is not willing to consider anything that does not fit into he belief structure. My father has a great line for people like this.
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Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.
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