A Modern Day Miracle Man - Establishes the Supernatural Realm

In my earlier post I said that I wasn't going to waste another minute on the issue of TB Joshua's prophecies and I meant what I said, you can make of his prophecies whatever you want, it's all up to you. Let's move over to the next issue, his miracles.

and lo and behold, Initially I wasn't going to respond to this post because I saw it as nothing more than a put-on intended for good laughs but then I noticed that some poor gullible atheists were seeing it more than just a joke and started exalting Modulous as a Great Prophet and I knew then that I had to interject, and put this fraudster in his place.Modulous altered his prediction after the event in question took place. Yes you read right, he edited the content of his prediction so that it aligns with the event he was supposed to predict and the proof is there for anyone who is willing to see. His prediction in his message 81 was fiddled with yesterday, Tue, 29-September-2009, 4:15 PM: and guess what? No reason given. What further incriminates Modulous is the time at which he tinkered with his prophecy (4:15 PM, (GMT+2) South African time), this time utterly corespondents with the time at which Perdition's prediction, (which has been discovered to be based on a weather forecast) was being discussed. Right after I revealed Perditions prediction for what it is, a deception, In a fit of desperation Modulous hurriedly tinkered with his preditcion tweaking it here and there and claimed to all of us minutes later that his prediction too had been fulfilled. Smart but really dumb because what you have done only shows how not easy it is to predict future events especially when you have to predict events that will happen in a row as TB Joshua did with his prophecy about multiple plane crashes, citing the exact dates the crashes would happen, the exact dates. Wow Modulous how professional of you, Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

Eh then you don't know much history. Allah existed before Muhammad's so-called revelation, in the form of al-illah a moon-god who was worshiped by the pre-Islamic Arabs, "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD. Have you never questioned where the crescent moon adorning the tops of mosques had its origin. Theres much written on this history of Islam, much. Anyway, as far as I know Yahweh and Jehovah are the same person.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

Maintaining that TB Joshua is a charlatan won't make him as such. you have absolutely no evidence for your high-flown claim, in fact what this entire episode proves is that you people do not have any evidence against TB Joshua so instead you make a monkey of the whole issue, and thats so sad.

Perditions prediction is based on a weather forecast. In fact the meteorologists beat him to it, because at the the time Perdition was making his so-called prediction the meteorologist were busy putting safety measures into place at the places expected to be hit by Ketsana. And Modulouis' prediction was made after the facts. TB Joshua deliver his prophecies before the weather guys, his prophecies are recorded and therefore no one can accuse him of making them after the events. anyway I'm done talking about prophecies, its time to move on.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

You have no direct prove that TB Joshua's videos are altered and just based on a single clip you have seen, and its not even the original, you want to write them all off as having been edited. Well guess what there are at least 49 other confirmed prophecies, excluding the one you claimed has been fiddled with, until you can prove its been fiddled with its only a claim, and I have viewed many of them and none of them look edited, plus TB Joshua has tens of thousands of people that can confirm his prophecies, if you want to claim that tens of thousands of people, including critics cannot remember the content of his prophecies than I cannot take you seriously. Admit it you cannot use that line of attack to discredit TB Joshua's prophecies. That is because you were making a prediction and everyone knows you're not a real prophet and claiming to receive revelation from God, and because of that they didn't see a need to take note of you're prophecy, but it would still be ludicrous on your part to say that none of the thousands of people, you claim watch this website, took down your prediction, for starters you didn't go around asking who took it down. Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

Please that is a totally bogus statement, a completely unsubstantiated and bogus statement. My calculations are not misrepresentations of anything they are based on actual data I obtained from planecrashinfo.com, refer back to my calculations and point out a single figure that I simply imagined or dreamed up, my calculations still stand. You are the one who is ignoring statistics, your argument basically was, that every month starting from 2007-20089 reported an aviation accident using data you found on the same website and my calculations are also based on data from the same website and then you tried to conclude from this that aviation accidents are frequent, which is the wrong conclusions to make, like the article in pbs.org said.My argument was that plane crashes are rare events although they happen, just like winning a lottery draw and being struck by lighting are rare events, which in fact have a higher chance of happening compared to being in a plane crash, and this does say something about the frequency of plane crashes, and For every statement I made I had a website to agree with it, in fact I was able to find websites that agree with me that plane crashes are rare but I could not find a single website that asserted that plane crashes are frequent events, which is what you claim. So to say that I twisted facts is just a plain lie.And what Modulous did can only be described as clear desperation.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

I'm interested in seeing the original video but I haven't tried to find one as I'm currently having trouble with my browser , for some reason that is unknown to me it refuses to show any video. Why won't other kinds of critics apart from skeptics suffice, for starters any critic of TB Joshua is skeptical of his claims, in fact I think that the critics might be more critical of TB Joshua because unlike the general skeptics these critics don't like TB Joshua a lot, and I see no reason that you should not regard their evaluation of the situation. If they detect any foul play as far as his prophecies are concerned they will use that instantly to jeopardize his ministry. To my present knowledge I know of no critic who has accused TB Joshua of employing deception in his prophecies, If you do let's have a name. My job is not to convince, my job is only to present the facts, I let the facts do the convincing. Anyway the best you can do is to be skeptical of his prophetic claims and healing ministry that all you got at this point. O no it doesn't bother me as much as it probably bothers you, but you should know I'm not member of the SCOAN, and I have no ties and affiliations with the SCOAN, my only use for the SCOAN is to demonstrate that there is evidence for the supernatural realm, and so far you are failing to falsify any of the facts I brought forth. As for me the existing evidence is quite enough at least in causing me to take this man seriously and not simply brush him off as a common charlatan more so when I have found no evidence against him.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

But I still used actual figures not cooked up figures. Modulous on the other hand used deception which I did not. Which is still a very small amount compared to the number of days that passed. A rhetorical statement that proves nothing. Which are real statistics and which are not real statistics? I gave you actually statistics that have been worked out by people in the field not numbers I made up myself. Here it is again being struck by lightning? (1 in 20 million)Your odds of these two things are actually BETTER than being in an airplane crash (1 in 25 million)
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http://www.nsc.org/research/odds.aspx.Ontop of this I gave you a list of sites that agree with me that plane crashes are rare I could find none that stated they are frequent. I did not ignore the data, I just made a logical conclusion that if so many days can be without crashes than at least a few months could also be without crashes, but even if every month reported a plane crash from 2007-2009 the numbers still conclude that plane crashes are rare and various websites agree with me. Please you are being dishonest with the facts here, number one individuals have a big chance of being in car crashes because care crashes are common, individuals have a big chance of drowning because drowning is common, etc, but on the other hand individuals have a smaller chance of winning the lottery or being struck by lighting because both these events are rare and in fact according to the above stats individuals have a smaller chance of being in a plane crash compared to being struck by lightning and winning the lottery because because plane crashes are rare, its the obvious conclusion to reach, why should plane crashes be an exception. Note these events do happen but they are said to rare.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

The statistics I present here reveal that its rare to be in an aviation accident, not a commercial flight accident but being caught up in an aviation accident is rare, thus it must have included the other kinds of aircraft.

That issue has already been dealt with an answered, turboprops are also referred to as turboprop jets, or jets with propellers, see my post dealing with this because there I provide links that you can visit to confirm this even a link to Time Magazine.

I'm sorry things don't have to change as you propose or not as drastically as you are claiming since that statistic applies to each individual on a plane, furthermore do you really think that the people who publish these figures don't consider the fact that planes don't just have one passenger but many passengers, of course they do consider these things especially when they will use this figures to comfort plane users. And it is in light of this information that these statistics are revealed. Even cars they say about car crashes that there is a 1 in 5000 chance of being in a car crash, yet when we look at it car cars usually have more than one passenger, so the fact is this factors are surely considered before this figures are made public and people are comforted with them.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

Not really I provided a website that agreed with me on that but went even further to suggest that there were years that didn't witness accidents or at least only witnessed very few. Don't lie to yourselve the difference also does matter alot, because just by looking at the ration the odds seem a lot bigger but its clear from the number of reported aviation incidences that aviation accidents are rare when considered against the number of days that passed. they are and I showed they are in my earlier post dealing with the same subject. My conclussion logically followed from the figures I presented. And no matter what you say air plane crashes are rare and the facts agree with me. Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

I stand by the figures I can't deny facts, what I'm saying is that these statistics are revealed in light of the fact that not just one passenger boards a plane. So in view of all the passengers on a plane each individual has a 1 in 25 000000 chance of being in a plane crash that big amount generally is unaffected by the presence of the other passengers.

Sincere apologies SammyJean for my slowness in adressing your post, you should however know that it was not by design that I kept from addressing it, it's because the other posters had me distracted all the time, and consequently I could not find the time to effectively deal with it for a while but I have responded to it below.

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Myself and others have already tried to get you to address questions about this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7cGK9OodVY Catholic Scientist posted the video in Message 38
At the very end of the video it updates the status of the main people interviewed in the video:

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John Rindel went for an AIDS test on April 12, He is still HIV positive.
Nine year-old Muller Starke went for medical tests on April 18, His heart condition remains unchanged.

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Wium Basson died over the weekend.

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I don't know what exactly it is you want me to address about the video since you haven't clarified it, but I'm reckoning that it's got to do with these mentioned individuals not being healed or dying from conditions they were prayed for. Okay, if thats it, there are two responses I can provide, the first one pertains to faith; the bible says without faith it is impossible to please God, and faith healing is care provided through prayer and faith in God as its name suggests, it takes a believe in God's ability to heal all sicknesses to be healed, without faith you can forget about receiving your healing, or anything from God for that matter, by faith are we saved,and by it do we enjoy the benefits of the Christian life such as healing. Jas

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1:6-7 Let him make his request in faith, doubting nothing; for he who has doubt in his heart is like the waves of the sea, which are troubled by the driving of the wind. (7) Let it not seem to such a man that he will get anything from the Lord;

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There were times even Jesus could not heal because of unbelief! Note that after healing people Jesus would often tell them that it was their faith that healed them, and TB Joshua usually tells people to confess to this effect; forgive my unbelief. Healing can only come from the belief that God can. It is God's will to heal people, but their Faith/disbelief sometimes get in the way. Healing is not always instant. Sometimes it takes a period of time. Sometimes it never comes!I guess for these aforesaid individuals it never came perhaps due to their disbelieve or perhaps God said to them My grace is sufficient for you like he said to Paul when he prayed to be healed for his own medical condition, a thorn in his side.The other response is that of sin, or selfish desire, perhaps people only seek healing just to return to their old sinful ways. Tb Joshua addressed this issue at his Singapore crusade and said that it could interfere with your healing, he explicitly stated that in order to maintain your healing you must be in right standing with God, and the bible clearly states this in Romans

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Rom 8:12-13 My dear friends, we must not live to satisfy our desires. (13) If you do, you will die. But you will live, if by the help of God's Spirit you say "No" to your desires.

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So living to please God does play a role in your healing. The individuals in the video may have stood in the way of their own healing.On the other hand there are many reported cases of people being healed and these are accompanied by video evidence; some people are healed instantly, instant births are broadcast live and recorded, people vomiting and urinating blood and other body fluids on the command of TB Joshua, paralysis sorted out in just minutes, burns and cancerous sores on the legs arms and other parts vanishing within a few days, sometimes people slap these painful looking sores right after being prayed for. Just view the video clips, its all there, better yet visit the SCOAN personally that is if you distrust the video clips. Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.