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New Cat's Eye
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Message 136 of 416 (527222)
09-30-2009 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Calypsis4
09-30-2009 3:13 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
Once again:
So what? Morphological stasis is no problem for the Theory of Evolution.
oh yeah, and there's this still:
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 137 of 416 (527223)
09-30-2009 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Calypsis4
09-30-2009 3:13 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
Going further with the fossils in amber that reveal no evolutionary.
Again, I urge you to write in English, which is the language customarily used on these forums.
As to your photographs, we agree that modern species resemble their ancestors. We are now waiting for you to make your point.
Where in the fossil record do we see phasmids evolving into non-phasmid?
Please read a biology textbook until you realize how stupid that question is. You might also want to note that the past comes before the present, this is a crucial point that seems to have escaped you.

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Message 138 of 416 (527225)
09-30-2009 3:30 PM
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09-30-2009 2:51 PM


Re: Living fossils expose evolution??
It was from AOL pictures of tiger fossils, p. 3.
Saying this tells me nothing. What is AOL pictures? How about providing a link so people can tell what you are talking about.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 139 of 416 (527226)
09-30-2009 3:35 PM
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09-30-2009 2:45 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
You need to stop your complaining and address the issue.
The issues as I think they are understood have been addressed. YOu have been told that mamnmals existing in the age of dinosaurs is not a surprise and it certainly does nothing to undermine the TOE. Your other pics have been shown to not show what you claim they show. Also, it has been pointed out that a lot of your photos are not of what you think they are.
I am still waiting for you to show us where you were attacked for suggestions mammals existed with dinosaurs. Or was that a lie?

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Message 140 of 416 (527227)
09-30-2009 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by New Cat's Eye
09-30-2009 3:16 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
So what? Morphological stasis is no problem for the Theory of Evolution.
What do you mean, 'so what?' Do you even begin to realize how many examples of no evolutionary change in living fossils I can carry this? And I fully intend to do so.
Concerning your chart. I've seen nice artwork like that before. Now where are the fossils? Furthermore, and even more importantly is how you can possibly explain the anatomical/morphological changes in creatures that supposedly evolved from the oceans to dry land. How did water breathing organisms change to oxygen breathing ones? At what point did the first water breathing creature develop the ability to breathe air...before or after it left the water? How did the first mammals feed their young before mammary glands developed? Do you really believe that the whale evolved into a land animal and then evolved back into the sea as a marine creature? How did it change its breathing apparatus without drowning itself? Shall I go on?
None of this even touches the necessary genetic changes that would be required of such transformations. Explain...any of them.
What you posted is a joke.
Edited by Calypsis4, : quotes

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Message 141 of 416 (527228)
09-30-2009 3:39 PM
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09-30-2009 3:30 PM


Harun Yahya Ha Ha
Saying this tells me nothing. What is AOL pictures? How about providing a link so people can tell what you are talking about.
Well, apparently Calypsis was just randomly browsing through pictures of skulls, and the one he happened to pick was, quite by chance, a picture originating with noted creationist Harun Yahya, who just happened to make the exact same mistake about it that Calypsis made.
I don't see why you should doubt him if he says that this is a perfect coincidence ... oh, apart from the obvious reasons.

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Message 142 of 416 (527229)
09-30-2009 3:40 PM
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09-30-2009 3:35 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
No, it wasn't a lie but you are going to have to take my word for it. I have been on many creation vs evolution websites and I do not remember who said this.

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Message 143 of 416 (527230)
09-30-2009 3:41 PM
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09-30-2009 3:39 PM


Re: Harun Yahya Ha Ha
Evidently he must think everything he reads on the internet that agrees with his worldview is fact. It seems there is no way he will ever be convinced that it is a hyena skull no matter what the evidence.
Edited by Theodoric, : spelling

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Dr Adequate
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Message 144 of 416 (527231)
09-30-2009 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Calypsis4
09-30-2009 3:37 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
What do you mean, 'so what?' Do you even begin to realize how many examples of no evolutionary change in living fossils I can carry this?
You have come up with no examples of no change, this is why the fossil species you show pictures of are always different species from the modern species.
Nonetheless, we concede, unreservedly, the fact that modern species resemble their ancestors.
Now what is your point?
Concerning your chart. I've seen nice artwork like that before. Now where are the fossils? Furthermore, and even more importantly is how you can possibly explain the anatomical/morphological changes in creatures that supposedly evolved from the oceans to dry land. How did water breathing organisms change to oxygen breathing ones? At what point did the first water breathing creature develop the ability to breathe air...before or after it left the water? How did the first mammals feed their young before mammary glands developed? Do you really believe that the whale evolved into a land animal and then evolved back into the sea as a marine creature? How did it change its breathing apparatus without drowning itself? Shall I go on?
Resisting the temptation to reply to the off-topic portions of your posts becomes harder and harder as your off-topic rantings become dumber and dumber.
Nonetheless, let us not allow this thread to degenerate into the customary game of Whack-A-Mole. The point and purpose of this thread is for you to say something inconceivably stupid about "living fossils". So will you just get on and say it?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 145 of 416 (527232)
09-30-2009 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Dr Jack
09-30-2009 3:09 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
Once again: what are in statis?
It's called 'stasis' and it refers to stability or something that does not change. Dictionary definition: "A condition of balance among various forces; motionlessness." Online Free Dictionary.
The photos reveal that there is a 'stasis' among living organisms. That is, they don't change from one kind to another. By 'kind' I am referring to that which is on the family level down.
Have a nice day.

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Message 146 of 416 (527233)
09-30-2009 3:47 PM
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09-30-2009 3:39 PM


Re: Harun Yahya Ha Ha
I think when he says 'AOL pictures' what he means is that he did a search for 'tiger fossil' and found that one. Not knowing anything about Biology (because, after all, that's for learned men) he didn't notice the glaring error.

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Message 147 of 416 (527234)
09-30-2009 3:47 PM
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09-30-2009 3:41 PM


Re: Harun Yahya Ha Ha
It seems there is no way he will ever be convinced that it is a hyena skull no matter what the evidence.
Leave it. My statement was and I quote: "If there was a mistake it was by AOL and not I."

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Message 148 of 416 (527235)
09-30-2009 3:47 PM
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09-30-2009 3:40 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
No, it wasn't a lie but you are going to have to take my word for it.
Take your word for it? I'll say this as tactfully as I can --- after reading this thread, who's going to take your word for anything?
Maybe that wasn't very tactful, but there is no more tactful way to put it.

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Message 149 of 416 (527236)
09-30-2009 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Calypsis4
09-30-2009 3:40 PM


Some advice
Don't bring up things or make accusations that you cannot back up with facts. You are claiming that "evolutionists"(whatever they are) attacked you for claiming mammals existed in the time of the dinosaurs. No kidding, it isnt a newsflash about mammals. If this story about you being attacked is true(which I highly doubt, since you mysteriously can't remember who or when or where), they are wrong. The people that attacked you would be classified as idiots. That is why I am wondering if it is true if it is a site that people with any education(adults) even go to.
All you have to do is watch popular science shows on TV to see that mammals were around in the age of dinosaurs. That would be a bit longer than 12 million BP though.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 150 of 416 (527237)
09-30-2009 3:50 PM
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09-30-2009 3:45 PM


Are We Getting Close To Your Point?
The photos reveal that there is a 'stasis' among living organisms. That is, they don't change from one kind to another.
And how do you think that the photos reveal that?
Do tell.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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