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Author Topic:   A Modern Day Miracle Man - Establishes the Supernatural Realm
tuffers
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Message 235 of 297 (527037)
09-30-2009 5:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cedre
09-24-2009 5:09 AM


Utter nonsense
Cedre
Your claim of a prophet is utter nonsense.
There are plane crashes all the time. Families travel together all the time. Families die in plane crashes all the time.
I could make a similar vague prediction that a family will die in a car crash, or a boating accident, or be blown up by a bomb. And guess what, in a few days, weeks or months time, low and behold, a family dies in just such a way.
And he predicted that Michael Jackson was going to die. I've got news for you: WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

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tuffers
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Message 252 of 297 (527074)
09-30-2009 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 247 by Cedre
09-30-2009 8:37 AM


Re: Desperate atheist resorting to desperate measures
Cedre
I haven't had time to read all the posts, so don't know exactly what statistics have been discussed, but it took me only a minute to find this information from Wikipedia:
The Geneva-based Aircraft Crashes Record Office (ACRO) compiles statistics on aviation accidents of aircraft capable of carrying more than six passengers, not including helicopters, balloons, or fighter airplanes. The ACRO announced that the year 2007 was the safest year in aviation since 1963 in terms of number of accidents.[9] There had been 136 accidents registered (compared to 164 in 2006), resulting in a total of 965 deaths (compared to 1,293 in 2006). 2004 was the year with the lowest number of fatalities since the end of World War II, with 766 deaths. The year with most fatalities was 1972, with 3,214 deaths.
I hope this convinces you that air crash fatalities are, unfortunately, in the high hundreds or low thousands every year. Therefore there is nothing at all remarkable about predicting that an unspecified family will tragically die in a plane crash in the next few weeks or months.

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tuffers
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Message 255 of 297 (527089)
09-30-2009 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by Cedre
09-30-2009 9:40 AM


Re: Desperate atheist resorting to desperate measures
No idea what you are on about talking about other types of aircraft.
But, if you want to be pedantic about aircraft types, the King B350 aircraft in which this family were tragically killed is not a jet aircraft as predicted by your prophet. It is a twin turbo-prop.
So, I guess you'd better wait for some other poor family to die in a private jet crash before you can claim how wonderful your man is. In the meantime, it might be helpful if he could give us their name and be more specific about the date.

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tuffers
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Message 261 of 297 (527109)
09-30-2009 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by Cedre
09-30-2009 10:02 AM


Re: Desperate atheist resorting to desperate measures
OK, so when your man said "jet", he was being even vaguer than was already obvious. Thank you for clarifying that for me.
I still don't understand what you are talking about with seeming to differentiate between "aviation" accidents and "commercial aircraft" accidents. Why don't commercial aircraft feature under "aviation" in your book of definitions?
In any case, it was quite clearly stated in the figures I quoted that they related to aircraft carrying more than 6 passengers, not including fighters, balloons and helicopters (all of which have considerably higher accident rates per flight than larger aircraft). Therefore, those figures include the type of aircraft in the accident in question.

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tuffers
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Message 269 of 297 (527148)
09-30-2009 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by Cedre
09-30-2009 10:30 AM


SOME PROPER STATISTICS
Cedre
Here are some proper statistics from the American FAA for the year 2005.
These are the number of FATAL accidents for that year alone:
ALL AIRCRAFT 326 Fatal Accidents
SINGLE-ENGINE PISTON AIRPLANE 239 Fatal Accidents
MULT-ENGINE PISTON AIRPLANE 30 Fatal Accidents
TURBOPROP AIRPLANE (I.E. the type in question) 21 Fatal Accidents
JET AIRPLANE 3 Fatal Accidents
AMATEUR BUILT 59 Fatal Accidents
So, just in the USA, there is a fatal Turboprop airplane accident on average every 2.1/2 weeks.
Do you still insist that that this is a rare occurence?
A quick and morbid search on the web will reveal accounts of several other families who have died in plane crashes over the past year.
In case you're still not convinced, here's another figure from the FAA:
"The odds of dying in a commuter or private plane accident are 29 times and 103 times higher than driving in a car, respectively."

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tuffers
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Message 277 of 297 (527349)
10-01-2009 4:20 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by PaulK
10-01-2009 2:46 AM


Re: SOME PROPER STATISTICS
Hi PaulK
Here you are (part of the official FAA website):
Home

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tuffers
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Message 280 of 297 (527370)
10-01-2009 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 279 by Cedre
10-01-2009 5:57 AM


Re: Back to the healing
Cedre
Has you man ever submitted himself to a proper objective test of his healing powers? Or is there some convenient rule that his powers wouldn't work under controlled conditions?
(Although I'm unclear as to what he is meant to be either proving or achieving by "instant births ... people vomiting and urinating blood and other body fluids".)

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tuffers
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Message 290 of 297 (527436)
10-01-2009 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 289 by Cedre
10-01-2009 10:07 AM


Re: SOME PROPER STATISTICS
I agree with Huntard. Fair play to you for finally accepting the statistics.
What might be interesting is the next time your man makes a prediction, you could submit a post immediately and we could look at previous statistics for such an event and debate how likely it is to be fulfilled, within what timescale, how specific it is, etc.
Hopefully it won't be anything too morbid.

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