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ICANT'S position in the creation debate

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caldron68
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Message 60 of 687 (520762)
08-23-2009 9:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 59 by lyx2no
08-23-2009 7:54 PM

Re: Getting Older
Considering that science has proven the broader story of Genesis to be false, isn't it only logical to assume that the first 10 words are also false?
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Message 107 of 687 (520910)
08-24-2009 10:07 PM 		Reply to: Message 92 by ICANT
08-24-2009 12:57 PM

Re: What's the time frames, and how about common ancestry
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Provided my assumption is correct the sun was created in the beginning which took place during Genesis 1:1. According to the Bible.
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Well, your assumption is wrong.
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Gen 1:14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lightsthe greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morningthe fourth day.
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Genesis 14-19 clearly describes the creation of our Sun and Moon. If the Sun had been created in Gen 1:1, there would be no need for verses 14-19. Yes, Gen 1:3 describes the general creation of light and darkness but it does not describe the physical creation of the Sun and the Moon. That act was clearly done in Gen 14-19.
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Message 109 of 687 (520913)
08-24-2009 10:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 87 by ICANT
08-24-2009 10:11 AM

Re: Re; Scientific Evidence
Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
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Isa 45:12I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, [even] my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
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It's a real "stretch" to assume that these two passages imply an expanding universe. Isa 45:12 clearly says "stretched", past tense, meaning that God stretched out the universe, but that's it. The passage does not indicate that the universe is still "stretching".
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Message 662 of 687 (527331)
09-30-2009 9:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 633 by ICANT
09-28-2009 12:53 PM

Re: remake the universe
First ICANT says this:
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No God does not have a plan.
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Then ICANT states this:
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But God will create the universe you think He should have already created. It will be inhabited by people from this universe that chose to believe in Him and trust Him and follow Him.
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In that universe there will be no pain, sickness, death, sorrow, and no one who has not accepted God's offer of a free full pardon.
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Which sounds an AWFUL lot like a PLAN to me. ICANT follows up with this statement:
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As I said God does not have a plan.
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Incredible.
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caldron68
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Message 666 of 687 (527611)
10-01-2009 7:50 PM 		Reply to: Message 664 by ICANT
10-01-2009 2:12 PM

Re: ICANT'S POSITION
ICANT writes:
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No thing has ever caused something to begin to exist.
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The universe exists.
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Therefore something or someone had to cause the universe to begin to exist.
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No thing has ever caused something to begin to exist.
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God exists.
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Therefore something or someone had to cause God to begin to exist....
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--Caldron68
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