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Author Topic:   Living fossils expose evolution
Dr Adequate
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Message 207 of 416 (527310)
09-30-2009 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Calypsis4
09-30-2009 6:04 PM


Re: The fossil record: the geologic column
Oh, a time or two somewhere. I laughed when I read your answer.
Take a look at these photos, please:
And...
Do you know what those angular piles of sediment are at the foot of each plateau? That's erosion. All agree, right? Now...where is the rest of the untold billions of acres of erosion that is missing between the millions of square miles of such plateaus throughout the southwest USA?
I personally took those pictures while I was on the field and I was presented with a panoramic view of that missing sediment.
I would suggest you think this over again, very carefully.
If you wish to be witlessly, aimlessly, pointlessly wrong about geology, that would be a topic for another thread.
Could you please stick to being wrong about "living fossils". I quite realize why you'd wish to run away from the subject, but it is the subject of this thread.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 211 of 416 (527320)
09-30-2009 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Calypsis4
09-30-2009 6:35 PM


One more thing before I step out of the office and head home:
Your statement reveals the depth of naivete you are afflicted with. Far from being a 'straw man' it can be more likened unto the atomic bomb on evolution.
But for some reason you are utterly unable to say why.
It must be so frustrating for you ... apparently you've discovered the ultimate argument against evolution, and yet you can't actually say what it is.
Try again. Somehow, you think that the fact that modern species resemble (but are not identical to) their ancestors can in some way be used as the basis for an argument against evolution.
Now please show us the frickin' argument. Thank you.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 351 of 416 (527828)
10-02-2009 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 320 by Calypsis4
10-02-2009 3:39 PM


Re: Bats. Just bats.
Well established only in the minds of those who believe as you do. But in this country; USA, the majority still believe in divine creation.
Gallup, 2008:
Those who believe in divine creation: 44%
Those who blieve God caused evolution: 34%
Those who believe no God but in evolution: 14%
The rest were uncommited: 8%
Now take a poll of biologists, you know, the people who have studied the evidence.
And then return to the topic.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 352 of 416 (527829)
10-02-2009 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 347 by Granny Magda
10-02-2009 5:25 PM


Re: Still No Argument
The problem as I see it is that you keep saying that living fossils show stasis. We agree, more or less. They show very little change over long periods of time. This isn't in dispute (although some of your examples are).
What we are not seeing eye-to-eye over is why this is so damning to the ToE.
... [Explain] to us, in detail, why stasis (or comparative stasis) in one lineage should mean that we should expect all lineages to show the same degree of stasis.
Or to put it another way, why should we expect to see any particular rate of evolutionary change?
I've been busy for the last couple of days. I dropped in on this thread to see if Calypsis had come up with an argument.
I see that he has not come up with an argument.
Well, he is a creationist.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 355 of 416 (527837)
10-02-2009 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 354 by Calypsis4
10-02-2009 7:25 PM


Re: Oldest fossil bat
It is my hope that you are removed from this website for that statement.
Your posts will not be read from this point on.
And as you successively refuse to respond to anyone who presents you with truths you can't deal with, you will end up talking to yourself.
Which is pretty much what you're doing already.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 410 of 416 (528187)
10-05-2009 5:00 AM


Summation
Calypsis has drawn our attention to the fact that some modern genera or families look similar (though not identical) to earlier genera or families. Which we knew, and which is one of the most obvious predictions of the theory of evolution.
His posts are like someone posting example after example of people who have spent ten years living in the same city (though not at the same address) and then claiming that this proves that no-one ever moves house.

Dr Adequate
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Message 414 of 416 (528237)
10-05-2009 10:31 AM
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10-05-2009 8:32 AM


Re: Successor Threads
Anyone should feel free to propose successor threads over at Proposed New Topics.
I have done so.
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