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Dr Jack
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Message 76 of 219 (526497)
09-28-2009 4:59 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by RAZD
10-16-2005 10:33 AM


Re: Flagellum's Funny Flailing
Replying to a four year old post, is this a record?
I protest! Propeller's don't work at the microscale; you need the 'funny flailing' to get motion.

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ICdesign
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Message 77 of 219 (527991)
10-03-2009 8:13 PM
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07-18-2009 3:17 PM


Re: For the new "ID" people ... a bumpitty bump bump
OK, lets do a little taking off of the gloves then...
If one could imagine making a horizontal slice through a capillary and then magnifying it ten-thousandfold, the view might resemble the most congested street in Bombay at the busiest hour-
yet the carts, cars, trucks, buses, birds, animals, and pedestrians are odd-shaped packages that know where to go and how to get there. A simplified list of passerby at any one moment could include hundreds of white and thousands of red cells, tens of thousands of platelets, millions of oxygen, carbon dioxide, and nitrogen molecules, scores of antibodies to old infections and previous vaccinations, every component of the clotting cascade, anticlotting factors,erythropoietin to simulate red-cell production, iron, calcium, magnesium, manganese, cobalt, chromium, copper, zink, nearly every vitamin, numerous proteins and amino acids, salts like sodium and potassium, ammonia, sugar, insulin, uric acid, liver enzymes, prostate enzymes, cancer markers, genetic markers, thyroid hormone, adrenal hormones, ACTH, TSH, GH, FSH, LH, vasopressin, parathyroid hormones, pancreas enzymes, glucagon, somatostatin, all types of cholesterol, fatty acids, blood pressure-regulating chemicals, muscle enzymes, brain enzymes, hormones that communicate between the stomach and the gall bladder, hormones that communicate between the kidneys and the thirst mechanism, adrenaline, noradrenalin, and albumin. This list is far from complete. Each component is regulated, controlled, and maintained at very specific concentrations. As with an orchestra playing a symphony, every instrument, every note, every pause is perfectly coordinated.
The walls of every blood vessel are lined with millions of biological workers that capture, unload, transport, and modify passerby. There are triangular docks to receive triangular compounds, specific tangled-web ports for specific tangled-web compounds, convoluted ports for convoluted compounds, and electrically charged ports for electrically charged compounds. Some docks are involuted and some protrude. Some have Velcro-like hooks. Some ports are open 24/7, and others only when there's a need. Some items pass through by themselves; others need help.
-HERE IS MY QUESTION FOR YOU-
Evolutionary development would have had to account for each of the circulatory system's characteristics separately AND simultaneously to explain the human species. There could not have been blood vessels without a heart to pump blood or a brain to monitor the heart's work. There could not have been a human being without a circulatory system capable of delivering its goods to every cell. There could not have been blood with out bone marrow to produce it or a spleen to remove aging cells. There could not have been a viable human
(OR INDEED ANY ANIMAL) without a way to deliver cellular waist products to the kidneys. The human species could not exist unless millions of extremely unlikely occurrences came about at exactly the right time and in exactly the right manner!
How do you explain this?
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Insert some blank lines.

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ICdesign
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Message 78 of 219 (527992)
10-03-2009 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by bluescat48
09-27-2009 10:46 PM


Re: bump for ICDESIGN,
Every malfunction you mentioned, and in fact every malfunction in the world is a result of the curse God temporarily put on His creation. It is only tempory and will be lifted at the end of the process.
......please see my post number 77

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ICdesign
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Message 79 of 219 (527993)
10-03-2009 8:18 PM
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09-27-2009 11:23 AM


Re: bump for ICDESIGN,
please see my post number 77

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Message 80 of 219 (527994)
10-03-2009 8:19 PM
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10-03-2009 8:13 PM


Ancient folklore or empirical evidence?
How do you explain this?
I explain it as the result of evolution.
How do you explain it?
And if your answer involves the supernatural or miracles or some such, please provide empirical evidence to support that answer lest your response fall into the category of belief in ancient folklore rather than science (this is the Science Forum, after all).

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 81 of 219 (527995)
10-03-2009 8:21 PM
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10-03-2009 8:18 PM


Re: bump for ICDESIGN,
please see my post number 77
Please see my post number 80.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Meddle
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Message 82 of 219 (527997)
10-03-2009 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Dr Jack
09-28-2009 4:59 AM


Re: Flagellum's Funny Flailing
Well having looked at Trichomonas and its 'funny flailing' flagellum in vaginal wet prep's, I'd say that although you do get motion it's not the most efficient method of propulsion
Edited by Malcolm, : No reason given.

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ICdesign
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Message 83 of 219 (528006)
10-03-2009 10:01 PM
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10-03-2009 8:19 PM


Re: Ancient folklore or empirical evidence?
Here, let me put my gloves back on for you Coyote and I'll try not to go over your head again OK? You said you had a total of what, 18 years of education? I made no mention of anything religous. I asked you to explain how one step at a time evolution can account for the
system I described. Please review message 77 again and explain the process. I know you think it is a result of evolution, that's a given.
I want to hear the scientific process through the stages, step by step of how this could have developed.
Come on, give me the empirical evidence your bragging about!!!

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Message 84 of 219 (528010)
10-03-2009 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by ICdesign
10-03-2009 10:01 PM


Re: Ancient folklore or empirical evidence?
Empirical evidence?
How about mutation plus natural selection x lots of time?
And what do you have to match that?
Why do you think biological scientists accept the evidence for evolution? They know it best, so you would think that if the evidence was deficient they would know.
And what do you have to offer that contradicts all of their research and studies.
Incredulity? Ancient folklore? Religious belief? Scripture? "Divine" revelation?
This is a Science Forum. You need to do better than that here.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 85 of 219 (528012)
10-03-2009 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by ICdesign
10-03-2009 8:13 PM


How do you explain this?
Better yet - Where do you explain this. The answer: in a thread where it is on topic. Do not reply to this post. This thread is not about finding problems with evolution or explaining how certain things might have evolved.

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ICdesign
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Message 86 of 219 (528013)
10-03-2009 10:42 PM
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10-03-2009 10:33 PM


Re: Ancient folklore or empirical evidence?
"I NEED TO DO BETTER HERE"? You are pathetic. Your so brainwashed
all you can do is spew talking points.
Were not talking about what I believe right now. Were talking about what YOU believe and why you believe it.
We can't move forward if you are to dumb to give me the details I have asked for.

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ICdesign
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Message 87 of 219 (528014)
10-03-2009 10:44 PM
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10-03-2009 10:38 PM


This is a thread about design, is it not?

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ICdesign
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Message 88 of 219 (528015)
10-03-2009 10:52 PM
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10-03-2009 10:38 PM


OK then, where can message #77 be fit into the system here then?

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Message 89 of 219 (528016)
10-03-2009 10:58 PM
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10-03-2009 10:52 PM


You can use the forums search facility. Or google or if you can not find a relevant thread you can Propose a new topic.
And really: Don't reply to this post. Thanks.

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Message 90 of 219 (528020)
10-03-2009 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by ICdesign
10-03-2009 8:13 PM


Re: For the new "ID" people ... a bumpitty bump bump
How do you explain this?
By following the evolutionary trail from single cell through all the various lines up to all the current species including man. The entire circulatory system did not form all at once, but in stages, in various animals in the earlier eons & epochs.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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