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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
A little help with Ochave over at at Evangelical Indoctrination of Children, please? Click this link to display all his posts: ochaye Posts Only
--Percy
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3484 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
EMA persists in complaining about the parameters of the thread and misstating positions.
The discussion is not moving forward. Assistance requested to move the discussion forward. Thanks Edited by Admin, : Make reference to thread into a link.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Proposed topic: LAVA - Lossy Adaptation Via (Natural Selection) of Alleles (Explained)
Could we play with this one a little while, please? Pretty please? He's funny! {It's now in the "Free For All", here. - Adminnemooseus} Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. |
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Kitsune Member (Idle past 4326 days) Posts: 788 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
Rahvin in "A Modern Day Miracle Man" Message 37
He clearly feels strongly about the subject and while I sympathise, I wonder if he could tone the language down. Thanks. Edited by LindaLou, : No reason given.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
In message 378 of the thread "Pseudoskepticism and logic" in the "Is It Science?" forum, Catholic Scientist calls me a "penis-lover", apparently without provocation. I suggest this is worthy of moderation.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add link.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
I think CS is referring to RRhain. As best I can tell, this all goes back to message 341.
Some stupidity and counter-stupidity happening. As best I've noted, RRhain is doing the better job of actually having some on-topic content in his messages. I've previously "hidden" a CS reply related to the above cited. Who knows, there may yet be some suspensions coming out off that affair. Adminnemooseus
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
With all the suspensions lately I am getting shy about posting to most threads at all.
Not a very welcoming environment. And yes, this is a problem.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
I agree, the moderation of the Living Fossils thread went from casually ignoring it turning into a sloppy cesspit of Gish Gallop (Calypsis4 I'm looking at you) and continual personal attacks (Dr. Adequate) to suddenly suspending everyone who didn't tread an impossibly narrow path. The first round of suspensions was justified, I think, but I'm not sure why the discussion of punctuated equilibrium - which, it seems to me, did relate to the original topic - merited a handful.
While I like the tightly controlled topic model we adopt here in many ways, it does seem extremely difficult to get new Creationist members to understand and embrace it. It seems that Calypsis thought that his array of "living fossils" showed there were no transitionals or something along those lines. It also seems that Calypsis is both unwilling to start a new thread on this, and unwilling to engage with the excellent new topic on tetrapods started by Caffeine so I'm not sure how we could produce a productive discussion with this. I'm also not clear why Lithodid-Man copped a suspension but I did not but, hey, I'm not complaining
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Admin Director Posts: 13035 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.0 |
If you click on Admin Posts Only for Living fossils expose evolution you'll see that I explained what I was going to do at each step along the way, finally culminating in warnings like this from Message 321:
I will henceforth begin issuing short suspensions for posts with no on-topic content. And this from Message 361:
I will continue issuing short suspensions for Forum Guidelines violations and for posting messages with no content that addresses how the example of bats either confirms or disproves evolution. I've been assuming that my messages get read, but maybe not. All suspensions will expire by around 7 AM this morning. I'll seriously consider making any future suspensions in this thread shorter, but of course it will be situational.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Yes, I did read them. As I presume did the other posters, the problem is in how narrowly it is interpretted, for example, in message 370, you said:
admin writes: The rebuttals have offered several relevant explanations, and I think if you begin addressing these that it would help move the discussion forward. For example, one of these explanations says that evolutionary change is a response to environmental change, and that environments that change little provoke little evolutionary change. I feel that the discussion thread begun in message 363 was directed towards this very question so I'm really not clear why you felt that that message and its replies deserved suspensions. Yes, it wondered into Punc. Eq. territory but that was brought up only because it specifically addresses the question of stasis in the fossil record and, as such, I regarded it as on-topic.
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Admin Director Posts: 13035 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.0 |
The more times a moderator posts to a thread, the more messages members have to choose from to find something that they think blesses what they want to do anyway, such as your excerpt from Message 370. There was only one suspension after that message, and Archangel posted about many things, but not the topic. The diversion onto PuncEq came before that message, and it would have been fine except that this is a thread out of control, having picked up nearly 400 messages in 5 days.
Discussion of PuncEq is fine, but experience tells me that Calypsis won't make the connection to living fossils or the example of bats unless it is made very clear, that without this he'll likely lurch off-topic again. I think it would be a good idea to spell it out. When discussion hits a constructive vein I'll loosen up.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
The diversion onto PuncEq came before that message, and it would have been fine except that this is a thread out of control, having picked up nearly 400 messages in 5 days. Discussion of PuncEq is fine, but experience tells me that Calypsis won't make the connection to living fossils or the example of bats unless it is made very clear, that without this he'll likely lurch off-topic again. I think it would be a good idea to spell it out. When discussion hits a constructive vein I'll loosen up. Okay, I understand your reasoning better now.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Will responding to Calypsis's analogy using cars be considered off topic and cop a suspension?
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Kitsune Member (Idle past 4326 days) Posts: 788 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
Calypsis4 in Living fossils expose evolution, pick any recent message.
Consistently ignoring evidence posted by other participants in the thread; instead, repeating his personal mantras over and over. It's impossible to have a meaningful discussion with him.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
To be honest, I'm beginning to think he's a deliberate troll rather than a real Creationist. The trouble is, with Creationists, it's so hard to tell.
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