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jacortina
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Message 5 of 119 (527869)
10-03-2009 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by riVeRraT
10-03-2009 12:07 AM


You seem to not know that the Chicago bid to get the Olympics is a process which started way back a couple of months after Obama announced his candidacy for President (May, 2007).
'The state and town HE picked'? Odd that I don't see the name 'Daley' in your post and that was the only 'he' that directed this whole process and allotted CITY funds for it.
Someone needs to get a clue.

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Message 14 of 119 (527983)
10-03-2009 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by rueh
10-03-2009 4:15 PM


He has spent more time preparing for this bid to the IOC then he has deciding how we are going to handle a war that we are in desperate need to fiqure out a better srategy in.
Show me the numbers. You know, documentation.
Your claim, back it up.
You wouldn't be spewing stuff you have no actual data on, would you?

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Message 16 of 119 (528131)
10-04-2009 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by rueh
10-04-2009 12:43 PM


'seems to me', eh?
Well, how can such strong objective evidence as that be argued with?
[ /snark]

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jacortina
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Message 25 of 119 (528789)
10-06-2009 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by riVeRraT
10-06-2009 11:35 PM


That article isn't about picking Chicago as the American city, it's about his recent trip to Copenhagen once it was one of the final four.
This a link to the Chicago Reader's coverage of the Mayor's angling for the Olympics with articles going back to the beginning of 2007:
http://www.chicagoreader.com/...016-chicago-olympics/Content
And everything in there points to it being Daley's baby. Nothing about the upstart candidate Obama being involved at all.

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Message 29 of 119 (528867)
10-07-2009 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by riVeRraT
10-07-2009 8:50 AM


This article was from ONE WEEK after Obama announced his candidacy.
http://www.chicagoreader.com/...ago/hes-going-to-win/Content
quote:
Meanwhile, the Park District cuts programs and raises fees. The city's ready to build that Olympic stadium but somehow can't find enough money to mop the floors or replace the burned-out lightbulbs in its gyms and field houses.
...
Yet Daley's proposals for audacious projects keep coming. The reconstruction of Soldier Field was followed by the construction of Millennium Park, which is to be followed by the 2016 Olympics. How the city's going to pay for the Olympics is anyone's guess.
Do you know anything at all about Chicago or its politics or the Daley family? This thing has been in the works for a LOT longer than Obama has been of any real interest to anyone.
Only a couple of weeks later, they'd ALREADY voted in the City Council to commit $500 million in public dollars in order to get the USOC to let Chicago give the US bid for the Olympics:
http://www.chicagoreader.com/...07/03/14/stir-soul-not-quite
Any mention of the (at the time) 3rd-place-in-the-early-polls Democratic Presidential candidate there?
Is it sinking in yet? Just browse the archives of the Chicago Tribune and Sun-Times in 2006-2008. There's simply no question whatsoever that the whole idea and the whole impetus behind the thing was Little Richie Daley, wanting one BIG thing to outdo his old man.

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jacortina
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Message 32 of 119 (528899)
10-07-2009 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by onifre
10-07-2009 12:21 PM


Re: The media is full of it, too...
Hey, as someone who works in Chicago (live just outside), I know just what a trainwreck it could have been (not 'would have been'; but the potential downside was a lot bigger than the potential upside; neither you nor can ever KNOW how good or bad it would have been).
But it's the sheer stupidity of people on this thread acting as if Obama CHOSE Chicago to be the one bidding for the US site this year. This was determined and in the works LOOOOOOOONG before he had ANY say in the matter.
A US city WILL bid on every Olympics. And if it had been Denver (or Kansas City or Nashville or whatever) instead of Chicago, Obama would have been expected to promote the US hosting bid of THAT city.
Chicago was going to push for it, no matter what Obama did or didn't do to help (there is NO Republican Party to speak of in Chicago and not much more of one in Illinois as a whole). Had he done nothing, he would have been vilified for 'not supporting America'.
Edited by jacortina, : No reason given.

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jacortina
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Message 63 of 119 (529427)
10-09-2009 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Hyroglyphx
10-09-2009 9:29 AM


Re: OMG! Obama said the sky would be blue!!!1!
More to the point, he bombed Pakistan which is grounds for war. If Bush did anything like that he'd have been condemned up and down, but when Obama does it for some reason it's cool.
Bush DID bomb Pakistani targets. REPEATEDLY.
Jun 2008: U.S. strike aggravates alliance with Pakistan - CSMonitor.com
Nov 2008: American Craft Kills 5 Militants in Pakistan - The New York Times
Dec 2008: Page Unavailable - ABC News
And those are just a sampling of the 2008 incidents.
Now, show me all the condemnations, up and down, for each of those acts of war.
Your claim. Back it up.

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jacortina
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Message 66 of 119 (529442)
10-09-2009 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Hyroglyphx
10-09-2009 10:52 AM


Re: OMG! Obama said the sky would be blue!!!1!
The point is that you seem to be pretty clueless about what has actually been going on in the world.
You make these idiotic assertions ('if Bush did this...') without the slightest bit of knowledge about what Bush did.
You proclaim things about what Obama promised/planned and what's been done with no clue about either of them.
So, again, show some actual evidence to back up YOUR CLAIM that this stuff wasn't accepted under Bush (a claim you've now repeated) while being found acceptable under Obama or stop spewing on a subject you seem to know little about.

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Message 71 of 119 (529488)
10-09-2009 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by riVeRraT
10-09-2009 3:14 PM


While 'some' may welcome us, that number seems to be on the decline.
The elections in August were (to put it kindly) flawed. That leaves our military in the terrible position of being seen as an occupying force which is propping up an illegitimate leadership.
And that is NOT a sustainable position.

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jacortina
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Message 79 of 119 (530438)
10-13-2009 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by riVeRraT
10-13-2009 7:11 AM


Re: Wife beater
Why are they on the decline? Is that because the Taliban is on the incline?
No, that's exactly backwards. The Taliban is on the rise BECAUSE the Afghani people want us out.
Just like YOU would want a foreign military force tramping around YOUR country to get out!

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