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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined:
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Calypsis4 writes:
quote: And you would be wrong. The reason your professor didn't refute them (assuming your story is even true and not a plagiarised claim from elsewhere), is because he realized that you wouldn't accept any information that contradicted your preconceived notion. This is a claim long since refuted:
The moon is receding at a rate too fast for an old universe. The Recession of the Moon and the Age of the Earth-Moon System In short, you assume a static earth in the earth-moon system. There are structures in the geology of earth that are dependent upon the moon which show that the moon really has been around more than your "1.7 billion year" claim. 650 million years ago, for example, the moon was only receding at a little under 2 cm/yr. From 2.5 BYA to about 650 MYA, the recession was about 1.27 cm/yr. So, despite what Darwin said, the moon was receding faster in the past. It was receding more slowly. What does that do to your model? And more importantly, is there any sort of evidence you would accept that would result in you saying you were wrong? If so, what would it be? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined:
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Calypsis4 responds to me:
quote: That's the point. People like you seem to want to present nonsense like this "moon is receding too fast" argument as if it had actual evidence to support it. And it's because resolution of the question requires sophisticated techniques that are beyond the abilities of most people that this idea of "teaching the controversy" is ridiculous. There is no controversy. And that applies to your "moon is receding too fast" claim. Your model doesn't align with reality.
quote: Except it doesn't gibe with the actual evidence we have for the observed rate of lunar recession. It has changed over time and was much slower in the past. Your model has an increasing recession rate. Your model doesn't work. It doesn't matter how pretty the math is. Since the evidence indicates that the moon is not receding in accordance to your equation, that necessarily means that your equation is false. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined:
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Calypsis4 writes:
quote: Nobody denies this. However, the geological evidence on the earth shows that the moon wasn't always receding at its current rate. In the past, it was much slower...only about 1.27 cm/year for the time between 2.5 BYA and 650 MYA.
quote: Huh? What on earth does a "transient lunar phenomenon" have to do with evolution? And even more important to this thread, what does this have to do with the age of the earth and/or moon? Why would the existence of such things point to a young moon? Be specific. In your own words, please. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined:
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Calypsis4 responds to me:
quote: Said the person who plagiarised his opening post.
quote: Huh? You mean that corals don't give any information with regard to day-length rates (which are affected by the tidal forces of the moon and thus can be used to establish a clock for the moon's existence)? You mean that tidal rhythmites don't exist? There are no cycles to be seen in them? This information doesn't show us that the moon was only receding at half the present rate? And the radiometric dating of the lunar rocks didn't show them to be more than 4 billion years old? Or is radiometric dating unreliable and a fraud? Did you bother to read the references I provided you?
quote: Indeed, but that's because they contradict yours. Please answer the question I put to you: What would it take for you to say you were wrong? Your model says that the rate of the moon's recession was faster in the past. But all the physical evidence we have indicates that it was actually much slower. If your equation does not align with observation, what justification are you using to claim that the observation is in error rather than your equation? It's like some perverted version of that creationist canard claiming "Scientists said bees can't fly!" First, that was never what was said. Instead, it was said that using rigid-wing aerodynamics, bees shouldn't be able to fly. It was never denied that bees can't fly for it is trivial to show that they can. Instead, scientists realized that bees must fly using mechanisms that aren't replicated in rigid-wing flight. And, indeed, that is the case. A bee's wings are not rigid but flexible. This creates vortices positioned in places that provide the bee lift above and beyond that which is generated directly from the wings. So now here you come along saying that your equation is everything! All hail your plagiarized equation! But the moon is trivially shown to be more than 4 billion years old. So what does that do to your equation? As I asked you before: What sort of evidence would you require to have you conclude that you were wrong?
quote: In the references I provided to you. You did read them, did you not? I can't do your homework for you.
quote: Before we even get to the question of this "testimony," you need to explain what this has to do with the age of the moon. Why would volcanic activity on the moon lead one to conclude that it isn't 4 billion years old?
quote: I'm also ignoring the people who claim to have seen the Loch Ness Monster, but that's because it doesn't have anything to do with the question at hand. Why would "transient lunar phenomena" have any effect upon the age of the moon?
quote: Will it be your own work or will you be plagiarizing somebody else? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Calypsis4 responds to me:
quote: Really? Where? Why is it that whenever we actually look at the places where this supposed volcanic activity takes place, we don't actually find any signs of lava flow but rather find the exact same topological features from previous images of the same spot? Note: I am not denying that people saw something. What is being denied is that it was volcanic activity. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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