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Author Topic:   Another Chance For Creationists To Recite Falsehoods About Intermediate Forms
Dr Adequate
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Message 1 of 30 (528236)
10-05-2009 10:29 AM


There are many intermediate forms in the fossil record. This fact sends biology-deniers into their most ridiculous and hysterical fits of falsehood, because they cannot bear to acknowledge that this fact is a fact.
This thread is therefore dedicated to their arguments. If they wish to deny reality, this is the place for them to do so.

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Message 3 of 30 (528326)
10-05-2009 7:52 PM


Re: Where's the meat?
But "where's the meat?" is just the question that I'm asking.
I feel like a man in a forest talking to someone who denies the existence of trees. It's hardly up to me to make the argument. This is a thread for reality-deniers to make their arguments. Where's the meat? Where's the meat? Where's the meat? It's an excellent question. Where's the meat?
This is a thread for them, not for me. I've told them again and again in other threads about other subjects that their denial of intermediate forms is off-topic. Here is a thread where it is completely on-topic. This is the purpose of this thread. If anyone wants to deny the existence of intermediate forms, this is the place for them to do it.

  
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Message 6 of 30 (528569)
10-06-2009 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Peg
10-06-2009 3:26 AM


how many?
So many that it is impossible for me to count them.
If there were just six of them, I could count them and give you the answer "six". But there are so many, and new ones being discovered every month, that I don't know how many there are. The fossil record is full of them. How can we even start to count them?

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Message 12 of 30 (529367)
10-09-2009 6:11 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Peg
10-09-2009 3:14 AM


there was an article in 2000 about this particular fossil. If its the same one they found in Liaoning Province, China, it was reported by National Geographic to be a true missing link in the complex chain that connects dinosaurs to birds. Its called the Archaeoraptor liaoningensis.
That's definitely not the same fossil. As you can see from the anatomical description, it is stated that it has a pygostyle, whereas the Archeoraptor composite did not: its tail is from a Microraptor.
Lots of intermediates between reptiles and modern birds have been found in China. It is sadly typical of creationism that of the many beautiful specimens to come out of China, the only one that you could think of is one that evolutionists proved to be spurious within months of getting their hands on it. Are genuine fossils of no interest to you?
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Archaeoraptor was a spurious fossil, produced by attaching the front half of an primitive bird (Yanornis) to the legs of some otherwise unknown creature and the tail of a winged dinosaur (Microraptor) too primitive to be even called a bird (i.e more primitive than Archaeopteryx). It is therefore, in fact, a composite of two (at least) intermediate forms, each of interest in their own right.

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Message 16 of 30 (529386)
10-09-2009 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Peg
10-09-2009 7:27 AM


it just shows that these are proclaimed as being a transitional before they have been 'proved' to be transitional
shouldnt they hold back until they have conclusive evidence? And isnt science supposed to get that evidence before it draws any conclusions and makes any claims?
That's exactly what they did. Evolutionists studied Archeoraptor and found it to be composite almost the moment they got their hands on it. For some reason, you trustingly accept their word for it.
Meanwhile, you jumped in and falsely identified the fossil that Briterican's list was actually talking about as being Archeoraptor without spending fifteen seconds to look at the evidence and find out that it was no such thing.
It isn't any of the evos round here who was making false, baseless claims about Archeoraptor. It was ... you.
I notice that you haven't acknowledged your error. But then, when evolutionists are absolutely right and you believe everything they say, they're still evolutionists, whereas when you're absolutely wrong, you're still a creationist, so I guess in the magical kingdom of your mind you're still superior to them.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 23 of 30 (529419)
10-09-2009 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Peg
10-09-2009 8:52 AM


i said 'if its the same fossil'
it was only called a 'chinese fossil' in his list which is why i said 'if its the same fossil'
So, baseless speculation not only without evidence, but contrary to evidence you could have found with fifteen seconds research.
get a grip!
On what? If that would involve letting go of reality, I'm afraid I have my hands full.
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Now, wasn't this thread set up for you people to deny the findings of scientists. So far, you seem to have concentrated on affirming that they were absolutely right ... and criticizing them for it.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 24 of 30 (529428)
10-09-2009 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Peg
10-09-2009 8:46 AM


doesnt it usually work the other way around...the sea creatures came onto land and not the land creatures went into the water?
No, of course not.
Of course, if you believe creationist halfwits, neither event has ever happened, so of course you have to rely on evolutionists for any facts about this as for all your other facts in biology.
If Whales provide the best example of transitional fossils, then im not convinced. Dawkins says the oldest fossil is 48.5million years old...and how many transitionals does he have? all of 3. Why isnt there a longer line of changes.
First, more forms are known. Second, it was only in about the year 2000 that we found out where whales evolved, how many would you expect to be found by now?
The transitional fossil directly before the modern whale has arms and legs!
You call those "legs"? You think it could walk on them?
Why cant these simply be varieties of whale...
If you're going to admit that Pakicetus was related to whales I don't really see what more you have left to concede.
... or some other type of marine animal?
Anatomy. This is what makes them intermediate forms.
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