$50 to anyone who can prove to me Evolution is a lie.

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Regardless of what Darwin may or may not have posited about abiogenesis (though he was a Christian), it was not part of his theory of evolution nor is it part of the current theory of evolution.

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1) Darwin was not a Christian. He renounced both Christianity and the Bible.
2) Evolution was long regarded as the naturalistic origin of life from non-life, but has since been re-defined (IMO for obvious reasons). See my article on this: 404 Not Found [This message has been edited by Admin, 08-29-2003]

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The theory of evolution is one of the most robust theories in science with huge amounts of supporting evidence from diverse disciplines

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This is called a mantra. The only thing true about evolution is genetic variation on a small-scale, but this variation is limited. There is no tangible evidence for molecules-to-man evolution.Last weekend in Colo Spgs I had the opportunity to witness a debate against evo-despised Hovind and a professor from Wyoming. What was the first line of evidence this professor presented? Lucy! Yet many evolutionists now admit that Lucy no longer fits so well in our family tree. His next line of evidence was the MtDNA clock, failing to realize that new data in 1998 forced evos to backtrack since the age for MtDNA Eve suddenly shrunk from 300K to 6K years old (I mentioned this to him aftward; I can’t recall Hovind’s response to this evidence). His other evidences included varves, and the petrified forests of Yellowstone, now easily explained by a catastrophe event, such as occurred at Mt St Helens (these later evidences, even if true, would not be evidence for evolution). Why is it so hard for you guys to present tangible evidence for evolution that you all can agree on? If the theory is so robust, with huge amounts of evidence, you would think that evolutionists wouldn’t be crawling all over each other and could universally agree on what is good evidence and what isn’t. Are there differing and conflicting theories of gravity? I submit that evolution is no better than a low-grade hyopthesisBTW, this professor also repeated the now tenuous claim that MtDNA is only passed down by the mother.[This message has been edited by Admin, 08-29-2003]

Howdy all,I apologize for popping in here without considering the guidelines and posting multiple topics in one post. I'll try to start a few new threads shortly (I'm still limited on time, but not quite as bad as the last several months have been). It seems to me the best Forum for most of the topics I raised should fall under Evolution as opposed to Education and Creation/Evolution? Part of the problem for me is going to be not knowing where things are already being discussed. I certainly don't mind having a thread closed or a post of mine moved to the proper forum if I start a thread that turns out to be being discussed elsewhere (as would have been the case with Mammuthus’ 'Genetic Bottlenecks and the Flood' example).Anyway, it is good to be back! I look forward to providing another round of my freely offered therapy sessions to tackle this strange fairytale obsession y'all have with this silly evolution thing that is completely void of any real, tangible evidence. BTW, could someone in admin create a new Forum called Place where Fred and SLPx trade insults. Thanks! [It's called the Free For All forum. --Admin]Fred[This message has been edited by Admin, 08-29-2003]