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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Even if the age is correct, the false assumption is that all the current mtDNA lineage should come from 'noah's female kin'. This is not necessarily true, since Noah's sons also had wives, which weren't there own sisters most probably, and so we already have here multiple pre-flood mtDNA lineage that got to be passed down. I saw you make this argument several times, maybe even every times a flood topic comes up. The argument is valid, but one, or possibly two, of the premises are false. "PS. I know it was a test for Calypsis4, but I gotta help him a bit." Actually, I didn't see it until just now. I can't keep up no matter how fast I go. Thanks, you were correct on that.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Are you kidding? I've lived my entire life in the western U.S. and the only locations that look like that are the plains of Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and Nebraska, obviously. This sort of absurdness epitomizes Creationism. You write meaningless statements while at the same time glossing over all the evidence to the contrary. Then you haven't been to, North Dakota, South Dakota, Texas, and Oklahoma, or New Mexico. I have; many times. West Texas:
[thumb=100]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/westTexas.jpg[/thumb=100] South Dakota:
[thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/SouthDakota.jpg[/thumb=300] Now, where is all the missing sediment that once filled in the space between those plateaus? What force on earth could have moved multiplied thousands of square miles in a vast deposition of land from one location to another on this continent? We see the erosion at the foot of most of the formations, like this:
[thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/100_2540.jpg[/thumb=300] but this accounts for only a small percentage of it. Where is the rest of the sediment? What force was strong enough to do this?
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
You must realise by now that this is not a competition to see who can post the fastest. And where did I suggest it was, dear friend? But this old man is wearing himself out just trying to keep up.
where is the flood layer in the geologic column? Take your pick: Ripple marks at high elevation in Utah.
[thumb=200]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/Aug08254.jpg[/thumb=200] Seven layers uncovered in Wisconsin that had fossils of jellyfish!
[thumb=200]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/Sep24192.jpg[/thumb=200] Then these rock ripples in upper Michigan:
[thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/RockRipples.jpg[/thumb=300] Creationists believe that stratum like this were laid down rather rapidly and not over millions of yrs. To answer you last question: I believe that most fossils in the world are directly because of the flood. There are many exceptions and clearly much of it is guesswork. The mere preponderance of the number of fossils bespeaks of a volume that evolution cannot account for. Stay tuned for the next post because I have a question for you.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Lindalou:
Let's see if I can blow your mind: From evolutionist Stephen Trimble in Rim of Time (1981) he had this to say about Monument Canyon:
[thumb=400]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/Sep29286.jpg[/thumb=400] In case you couldn't read it well, his last statement was, "They omit the record of life from single-celled algae to dinosaurs and mammals--a major chunk of history, indeed(!)" Would you please explain to me and the other readers what happened to the 750 million yrs of missing sediment in this formation? Not only so but there is this added problem:
[thumb=200]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/Aug09269.jpg[/thumb=200] So seven layers of strata representing about 247 million yrs is missing from the Grand Canyon. The so-called 'geologic column' exists almost nowhere on earth. Why is this?
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
The only issue, then, remains the carbon-dating. Which is also another topic, one that I know you feel comfortable with the actual assumptions. But I'll let calypsis4 cover it in due time ... You bet I will, with fire in my eyes. I am now and remain...an ex-evolutionist.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Let me get this right -- you are looking at animal footprints and ripple marks in rock, and claiming that they are evidence of a global flood? No, it was obviously a global forest fire. Replies like that merit no better answer. I guess I could have talked about the fossil fish in the Alps...you know the mountians of Europe that are upside down according to the evolutionary geology.
The explanation for this is plate tectonics. But has anyone in history every observed hundreds of thousands of square miles slide over other many thousands of square miles to form mountains. Who could ever have possibly seen such a thing...other than perhaps Noah? Edited by Calypsis4, : correction
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Erosion. Erosion is seen at the foot of almost every site one visits. You are missing the point. Gigantic amounts of sediment was transported from one part of this continent to another. Where was the displaced sediment moved and what force could have done it? Local erosion doesn't answer it and you are avoiding the issue. Notice this split formation I observed in northern Arizona near Monument Valley:
[thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/100_2933.jpg[/thumb=300] There is several hundred feet between what looks like rock pushed back away from the plateau like so many banana peels. The formation appeared to go north/northeast for about two miles.
[thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/100_2931.jpg[/thumb=300] It all made me think of the verse in Genesis, "And the fountains of the great deep were broken up." Chapter 7:11. It appears that the rocks that are split from the plateau were divided by underground pressue and pushed away from the precipice. This was not the only set of formations like this that I observed in the southwest USA.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
You still need to explain how these things were preserved and lithified during the turbulence of the Biblical flood. One must think stereophonically, so-to-speak, about such things. The whole world was not destroyed on the first day of destruction. The timing of things is the key factor but almost impossible nail down with certainty. Perhaps hot rock/ash from early volcanic activity was cooled by changing weather conditions and there you have the lithification.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
fossil record, trilobites are always at the bottom Well, these trilobites were not at the 'bottom'. They were found at high elevation 43 miles west of Delta Utah, approx. 9,655 ft. Even though the specimen was found in cambrian rock there are quite a few human fossil footprints found in the area. So much for the geologic ages.
[thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/1SANDLE-PRINT.jpg[/thumb=300]
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
I'll answer more questions later. I need a rest.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
For definitions of "rest" that include the frantic searching of creationist sites for new diversions, no doubt. Now that is funny. No, arrogant one, I meant rest for what it means literally. And I got the rest. More reasons not to believe in evolutionary uniformitarianism:
[thumb=400]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/Aug10271.jpg[/thumb=400] Polystrate fossils. Trees and roots extending through many levels of strata. Did this tree stand dead for millions of years only to be covered over inch by inch and slowly become fossilized? No way. There isn't a tree on earth that would stand upright for that long. But check this one out. Right out of National Geographic:
[thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/Oct01292.jpg[/thumb=300] A stunning view of a polystrate fossil which extends through several million yrs of strata. Below is a better view of the terrain surrounding it.
[thumb=400]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/Oct01293.jpg[/thumb=400] This kind of phenomena is now occurring now in the lakes near Mount St. Helens in Washington. It doesn't take millions of years.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
This relates to my as yet unanswered inquiry in message #29. Does your model have an estimate for the number of organisms that would have been alive at the same time in the pre-flood era? No. There is no way to know that. It's like asking 'how many molecules make up the earths composition?'
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
It ain't there. It is there. She's been looking at it in the illustrations I've posted. Good grief, what does she think 'mud' is?
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Why are some layers missing in other places? Erosion That answer is unacceptable. One has to shut their mind off and pretend to maintain such a position. I made it clear that the erosion content at the base of the mountains and/or plateaus depicted in my photos were the result of several thousand years of erosion. But the rest is missing. Does she think that all that sediment just seeped into the earth? Did it all evaporate? Did it all melt? Of course not. Mountains degenerate (erode), true. But all sediment that finds its way down still exists! It doesn't vanish from the earth. The point I am making is that there was a huge deposition of sediment from the American west and many other places in the world where you find similar geologic features.
[thumb=400]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/100_2594.jpg[/thumb=400] Where was the sediment between the plateaus in this picture deposited? Certainly not to a higher region. Like all other regions like it the sediment had a deposition to a distant region of the continent by a great amount of water. I maintain it was the flood of Noah that did this.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5239 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Well don't you think you ought to address the issue? If the number of fossils you claim were caused by a global flood implies an impossibly large number of plants and animals co-existing on the earth at one time, your hypothesis would be falsified. Didn't I answer this one in more detail elsewhere? I thought I did. Nonetheless, my answer is still 'no'. How can one know such a thing? It's like asking, "How many molecules make up the earths composition?" No one could answer that with any degree of certainty. But I don't agree with your contention. I believe what Moses described in Genesis about the flood of Noah. The Lord Jesus Christ confirmed what He said about it. I trust His word more than anyone on earth. I also agree with creationist geologists who take the position that the earth's stratigraphy matches what Moses said. I am showing the reasons why on this thread. I've got a lot more.
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