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Author Topic:   The Flood, fossils, & the geologic evidence
ZenMonkey
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Message 25 of 377 (528924)
10-07-2009 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 1:56 PM


Re: A test for Calypsis4
From the Fossil Museum website:
The Green River Formation is actually a heterogeneous complex of lakes differential in ecological, geological characteristics, timeframe and hence fauna and flora. The complex comprises three primary lakes formed as a consequnce of drainage from tectonic highlands envolved in the uplift of the Rocky Mountains during Tertiary time. Fossil lake, centered in Southwest Wyoming, is the smallest and appeared briefly during the early Eocene. The Lake Gosiute deposits span the period from Lower to Middle Eocene, and the largest deposit from Lake Uinta that ranges across the Utah-Colorado border, spans most of the Eocene Epoch.
What compelling evidence do you have to support the contention that all of these layers were - despite all appearances - laid down in a single event rather than over a timespan of millenia?
Admin, might I suggest that we make something like this a focal question for the discussion, rather than getting dragged all over the map again?
Edited by ZenMonkey, : Adding a plaintive question.

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ZenMonkey
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Message 68 of 377 (528990)
10-07-2009 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 6:08 PM


Any explanation of multiple layers of sedimentary rock separated by layers of igneous rock? All laid down in a single event over the course of a year?

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ZenMonkey
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Message 163 of 377 (530257)
10-12-2009 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Calypsis4
10-12-2009 7:04 PM


No, seriously.
By what mechanism can a single flood event deposit discrete layers of sedimentary rock? And how would you interpret the existance of discrete sedimentary layers separated by layers of igneous rock?

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ZenMonkey
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Message 247 of 377 (620214)
06-14-2011 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Buzsaw
06-14-2011 7:22 PM


Re: The Other POV
Buzsaw writes:
2. If the above is true, the earth's atmosphere and elements on earth and in the atmosphere would skew the dating methodology applied by conventional science.
This is what people are asking about, Buz. You have never provided any explanation of how rain and flooding can somehow alter the atomic structure of matter. Never mind providing evidence that such an alteration of reality ever happened. I'd like to just see the explanation, even if there's no evidence to support it.
Whether or not you realize it, what you're really saying, when you say that we can't make any assumptions about the pre-Flood world because the Flood somehow altered the atmosphere, is that rainwater has the magical power to alter the nature of matter itself. The only real "assumption" that the dating methods you don't believe in are making is that the carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, etc. that we see today is the same thing as carbon, oxygen, hydrogen of 10,000 years ago, or 2 million years ago, or even 10 billion years ago.
I for one think that that's a pretty safe assumption to make.

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ZenMonkey
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Message 270 of 377 (621014)
06-22-2011 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Chuck77
06-22-2011 4:57 AM


Re: Brief notes on the "flood"
Chuck77 writes:
I see your points and all I can say is are the dates accurate according to how they dated these localized floods? I can't refute your argument based on the dates of these local floods. I have no proof of the worlwide flood when it comes to "regular" Science. All my info is from guys like Steve austin and Creationist sites.
I'll add that if you'd like to read a careful and lucid explanation of why we can have confidence in the accuracy of current dating methods, please take a look at RAZD's Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1 thread. Very informative.
Good learning!

Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs.
-Theodoric
Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
-Steven Colbert
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.
- John Stuart Mill

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ZenMonkey
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Message 283 of 377 (621370)
06-25-2011 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by Chuck77
06-25-2011 2:36 AM


Re: Brief notes on the "flood"
Hi Chuck77,
You now have three forum participants - myself, angalgard, and RAZD himself - suggesting that you go read RAZD's Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1 thread to get up to speed on the topic of dating methods and how they work. Please let us know what you think after you've done so.

Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs.
-Theodoric
Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
-Steven Colbert
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.
- John Stuart Mill

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ZenMonkey
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Message 305 of 377 (621880)
06-29-2011 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 302 by Chuck77
06-29-2011 3:01 AM


Re: Brief notes on the "flood"
Chuck77 writes:
Sorry folks. It's not a falsifiable theory so I can defend it. I tried and failed. Hopefully someday they'll find the ark or something or the bones of Noah who knows, for now I admit I have no proof but it was fun "debating" with you all. Im in over my head and obviously look like a fool arguing my points.
Im going to try to stick with things I have a better grasp on, this NOT being one of them. Sorry for wasting everyones time, but thanks for amusing me anyway.
If you don't mind me saying so, Chuck, this would be a terrible time for you to quit. Feeling like you're in over your head just means that you're ready to learn something, and the best learner is one who's willing to look like a fool when exploring something new. Sometimes painful, but true.

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